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[Deleted member 21784]

Ahh, see the context of your statement now. I read the question as VAR being a potential reason for added time, rather than simply a question of were there any VAR decisions

I don't think so. The only one I remember was the one deep into added time.

To be fair I thought the question mark gave it away

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Also, in that time, a lot of them were probably walking around because they were playing with injuries

Perhaps, but you could away with walking back then

 

[PaulMdj]

When they started allowing 5 subs instead of 3, they also said only 3 windows could be used to make all 5 subs. The idea being it wouldn't really waste any extra time. When making multiple subs, they pretty much come off at the same time, not one after another. So, if referees are adding 30 seconds per player rather than per window, it really is a farce.

To be honest, I don't even know if 30 seconds per window is a rule at all? From when play is stopped, until ref restarts play seems like a much simpler way to do it? I don't think any of the subs took massively long to come off compared to normal. Some might have been a bit slower than average, some quicker. All of Chelsea's 3 windows were when they were losing, so I doubt they'd have taken long to change.

Probably why I said approx 30 secs, he might add 1 minute for 2 or 1:20 for 3, either way you’re clutching at straws. #fergietime

 

[Beezerk]

Also, in that time, a lot of them were probably walking around because they were playing with injuries

Walking around as they’d had 10 pints the night before and 20 Benson before the game

 

[clubchamp98]

Agree with all. Awful against Brentford, but the woeful United defence really ruined Mount's moment. And last night, the woeful Utd defending really spoiled it for Antony. I thought he played really well. Ironically, poor he gave the 1st penalty away, yet a penalty that would never have been conceded if Rashford played ahead of him, because Rashford would not have tracked back.

In hindsight, in many games, you could argue that Utd should play a deep defensive unit, and play on the counter. But, I can almost see the madness in playing the way we do in most games (except against City and Liverpool away). ETH can only see who is capable of playing his style of football in games, you can't really find out what the players are capable of in training to that extent. Put them to the test when they are playing in front of millions, against opponents who are prepared to go in hard on them. So, my hope is that he is using this season to find out who is capable and who is not, so that he has all the evidence he needs, and the owners have all the evidence they need, to show who needs to go, and the types of players they need. If that is the case, he has given us plenty of evidence that "golden boy" Rashford is really not up to much, he has had plenty of opportunity.

There also needs to be a massive inquest into why players are getting injured.

The pitches.

Most PL pitches are like playing on a car park there like concrete.
They are watered constantly so the ball can skid on the surface.
But the actual sub structure is rock hard plastic at 23mm then grass at 25mm

I was on Elland road last year and could not belive how hard it was. ( looked fabulous though)

I might be wrong but it must play a part.

 

[Swango1980]

To be fair I thought the question mark gave it away

As I said, I thought your question inferred that there was a VAR decision that could have lead to the extra time (and just questioning how long that decision took), rather than asking were there any VAR decisions at all. Sometimes the context of a question can be misinterpreted in print.

 

[Swango1980]

Probably why I said approx 30 secs, he might add 1 minute for 2 or 1:20 for 3, either way you’re clutching at straws. #fergietime

It is a perception that a few years ago, 3-5 minutes seemed standard. These days double that seems standard, even in games without any timewasting.

Lovely when you are losing by a goal. Annoying when you are winning by a goal. I'd be surprised if more than a minute needs to be added on when multiple subs are coming on, as they pretty much come off together. Especially when your team is losing.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

There was a stat a year or two ago showing how much time the ball was actually in play during a 90 minute game. It was embarrassingly low from memory and kicked the authorities into doing something about it.

The current high levels of extra time largely comes down to players and managers. They need to unlearn some of the previous behaviour and actions. If they do that then the numbers will start to drop.

 

[Swango1980]

There was a stat a year or two ago showing how much time the ball was actually in play during a 90 minute game. It was embarrassingly low from memory and kicked the authorities into doing something about it.

The current high levels of extra time largely comes down to players and managers. They need to unlearn some of the previous behaviour and actions. If they do that then the numbers will start to drop.

I don't think fans ever had an expectation of seeing 45 minutes of a ball in play? Throughout the course of history, balls have gone out of play, goals have been scored, etc and thus there has been plenty of time within the 45 minutes a ball is not being kicked.

What would be interesting is to see, over the course of time, how much of the 90 minutes the ball has been in play. Has this got worse or stayed about the same over time? Do teams time waste more? Do they have more elaborate celebrations?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I don't think fans ever had an expectation of seeing 45 minutes of a ball in play? Throughout the course of history, balls have gone out of play, goals have been scored, etc and thus there has been plenty of time within the 45 minutes a ball is not being kicked.

What would be interesting is to see, over the course of time, how much of the 90 minutes the ball has been in play. Has this got worse or stayed about the same over time? Do teams time waste more? Do they have more elaborate celebrations?

Oh, I agree about 45/90 minutes being silly. That would be impractical and it is not looked at as a target. The number had dropped though, the situation was deteriorating. This was their solution.

I can't find the details but I remember it at the time.

As always it is possible that the pendulum has swung too far. We may get a recalibration over the next season or two.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Oh, I agree about 45/90 minutes being silly. That would be impractical and it is not looked at as a target. The number had dropped though, the situation was deteriorating. This was their solution.

I can't find the details but I remember it at the time.

As always it is possible that the pendulum has swung too far. We may get a recalibration over the next season or two.

Is the new stoppage time policy working? Ball-in-play figures up in Premier League and EFL

Premier League has seen a four-minute increase in average ball-in-play time this season after 10-year-low figure last season; EFL has seen similar rises in periods of action as officials monitor additional time more closely

www.skysports.com

 

[clubchamp98]

I don't think fans ever had an expectation of seeing 45 minutes of a ball in play? Throughout the course of history, balls have gone out of play, goals have been scored, etc and thus there has been plenty of time within the 45 minutes a ball is not being kicked.

What would be interesting is to see, over the course of time, how much of the 90 minutes the ball has been in play. Has this got worse or stayed about the same over time? Do teams time waste more? Do they have more elaborate celebrations?

They do have to wait for VAR to say the goal is ok.
That’s before the celebration starts.

Just put a timekeeper in the stands in communication with the fourth official no need for extra time then.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Big, big win for Everton. They could not afford anything but a win today.

Huge for Luton. They weren't supposed to do this.

Brentford are now very much in the mess.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Annoyingly, Everton would be 10 points clear of relegation without the points deduction. It would have been a no stress run in..............

 

[Deleted member 21784]

well that was an utterly mad game

1-0 down at half time. defo a pen for me

moyes changes it up a bit

unfortunately bowen limped off.. a worry for thursday. big loss

brings on cresswell for him.. emerson push forward

emerson then scores and harshly disallowed for a foul

then we get a pen 1-1 game on

JWP scores directly from a corner lol cant break his FK duck from us but a corner fair enough

then wolves score in the 99th min... but its disallowed .. now im torn. yes the player was offside.. yes he was in front of the keeper.. but the header from kilman went top corner and fab was NEVER getting there... so is he interfering?

 

[Bdill93]

Big disappointment today! 2 points dropped and Brentford are really not good.

Even still, up the villa!!!!

 

[nickjdavis]

Very happy to escape from the Cottage with a rare away win and a clean sheet. By all accounts Newcastle were utterly awful in the first half and not a great deal better in the second. Looks like a decent race for the lesser Euro comp places though it was a pity that Wolves late leveller was chalked off but I guess you cant worry too much about that and just have to esnure you win your own games. Bonus in that neither Gordon nor Guimares picking up a yello card. Gordon now cant get a ban under the totting up rules. Guimares needs to avoid a booking in the next game to do the same.

At least I can go out and enjoy my golf tomorrow.

 

[nickjdavis]

Brighton looking very very lively despite nearly going a goal down in the first minute.

 

[Fade and Die]

well that was an utterly mad game

1-0 down at half time. defo a pen for me

moyes changes it up a bit

unfortunately bowen limped off.. a worry for thursday. big loss

brings on cresswell for him.. emerson push forward

emerson then scores and harshly disallowed for a foul

then we get a pen 1-1 game on

JWP scores directly from a corner lol cant break his FK duck from us but a corner fair enough

then wolves score in the 99th min... but its disallowed .. now im torn. yes the player was offside.. yes he was in front of the keeper.. but the header from kilman went top corner and fab was NEVER getting there... so is he interfering?

Yep I think you have summed it up well, dire in the first half (same line up with same performance against Burnley 1st half)
Second half with a target man much better… Wolves will rightly complain about the ruled out goal but I think they got lucky with the Emerson goal that was also ruled out.

Sadly we are looking very tired and with Bowen hobbling off I fear the worst Thursday.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yep I think you have summed it up well, dire in the first half (same line up with same performance against Burnley 1st half)
Second half with a target man much better… Wolves will rightly complain about the ruled out goal but I think they got lucky with the Emerson goal that was also ruled out.

Sadly we are looking very tired and with Bowen hobbling off I fear the worst Thursday.

I cant see a foul in the emerson ruled out goal.. two players running for the ball not looking and apparently a players foot hits the other.. when they are both looking at the ball.. its a contact sport. doesnt mean a foul

its weird how it didnt work

that was our best starting line up tbh

bowen up top, kudus right paq left with jwp middle and alvarez back .. we have beaten some good teams with that line up

did see some top defending from zouma so i will give him praise as ive knocked him a lot this season

i can only assume coufal and soucek were simply knackered and the fresh legs helped spark us into action