The Footie Thread

[Slime]

Kobbie Mainoo?

I said that as quietly as I could.

 

[Bdill93]

I'd like to see the England midfield shape similar to Ange's Spurs midfield, where you have a holder, a box-to-box and a more advanced player in a three. So Rice would be the holder, the box-to-box is Bellingham or Trent, and the attacking one is Bellingham or Foden, or perhaps Maddison if you play Foden on the left. Foden needs to be in the side, but I think he's perfectly capable of playing off the left side. Saka would still be on the right for me.

https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/2...erStatistics/England-Premier-League-2023-2024 Saka's 'poor season' where he has the second highest rating in the league. @Bdill93

Like "rating" means anything. Maddison has played half a season...

His (Saka) numbers are down on last year, for whatever reason. That's also a stat.

I've also said he's our (Englands) best player on the right though, highest up side

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Like "rating" means anything. Maddison has played half a season...

His (Saka) numbers are down on last year, for whatever reason. That's also a stat.

I've also said he's our (Englands) best player on the right though, highest up side

I like to see kane up top with Bowen and saka either side. Whatever one playing left

Foden dropped behind them

Rice and Bellingham running the middle

I think that would be outstanding

 

[Orikoru]

Like "rating" means anything. Maddison has played half a season...

His (Saka) numbers are down on last year, for whatever reason. That's also a stat.

I've also said he's our (Englands) best player on the right though, highest up side

This time last year Arsenal were 5 points clear at the top so that probably has something to do with it! WhoScored have detailed metrics for their ratings, he wouldn't be the second highest rated player over 20+ games by accident. It shows he's playing well and doing the right things even if it hasn't resulted in quite as many goals or assists.

Hang on - he got 15 goals in 48 apps in all comps last season and now he has 11 in 30. That's a slightly better ratio if anything! I don't know where you've got this idea that he's having a poor season. I'd say Arsenal generally just haven't been quite as good as last season.

I like to see kane up top with Bowen and saka either side. Whatever one playing left

Foden dropped behind them

Rice and Bellingham running the middle

I think that would be outstanding

Bowen is not starting, no chance. Classic case of a player looking good in a poorer team but can they make the step up with better players around them? He's just not as good as Foden or Grealish, or even Rashford arguably, but his numbers are boosted by being the main man at a small club.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

This time last year Arsenal were 5 points clear at the top so that probably has something to do with it! WhoScored have detailed metrics for their ratings, he wouldn't be the second highest rated player over 20+ games by accident. It shows he's playing well and doing the right things even if it hasn't resulted in quite as many goals or assists.

Hang on - he got 15 goals in 48 apps in all comps last season and now he has 11 in 30. That's a slightly better ratio if anything! I don't know where you've got this idea that he's having a poor season. I'd say Arsenal generally just haven't been quite as good as last season.


Bowen is not starting, no chance. Classic case of a player looking good in a poorer team but can they make the step up with better players around them? He's just not as good as Foden or Grealish, or even Rashford arguably, but his numbers are boosted by being the main man at a small club.

Same could be said for Maddison really then , spurs aren't exactly flying. More others around then not taking advantage

 

[Bdill93]

This time last year Arsenal were 5 points clear at the top so that probably has something to do with it! WhoScored have detailed metrics for their ratings, he wouldn't be the second highest rated player over 20+ games by accident. It shows he's playing well and doing the right things even if it hasn't resulted in quite as many goals or assists.

Hang on - he got 15 goals in 48 apps in all comps last season and now he has 11 in 30. That's a slightly better ratio if anything! I don't know where you've got this idea that he's having a poor season. I'd say Arsenal generally just haven't been quite as good as last season.


Bowen is not starting, no chance. Classic case of a player looking good in a poorer team but can they make the step up with better players around them? He's just not as good as Foden or Grealish, or even Rashford arguably, but his numbers are boosted by being the main man at a small club.

All comps and league are different things. I don't care about cup goals, they're wholly irrelevant. He's less impressive, I don't know what else to tell you. I watch football with my eyes and don't form every opinion with stats to back me up.

 

[Orikoru]

Same could be said for Maddison really then , spurs aren't exactly flying. More others around then not taking advantage

Maddison was arguably the best player in the league before he got injured. Regardless, I don't think he'll be starting for England either, unless he recaptures that form and maintains it right to the end of the season. So a moot point.

 

[Orikoru]

All comps and league are different things. I don't care about cup goals, they're wholly irrelevant. He's less impressive, I don't know what else to tell you. I watch football with my eyes and don't form every opinion with stats to back me up.

We're talking Champion's League here, but ok. As I say, Arsenal as a whole perhaps haven't been quite as good as they were in the first half of last season. I still think Saka is a stand-out performer for them. He is only 22 still, rock solid consistency is hard.

 

[Tashyboy]

Pickford
Walker/TAA Stones. ? ?

Bellingham Rice Foden

Saka Kane Grealish/?

Add or take away from that

 

[Swango1980]

We're talking Champion's League here, but ok. As I say, Arsenal as a whole perhaps haven't been quite as good as they were in the first half of last season. I still think Saka is a stand-out performer for them. He is only 22 still, rock solid consistency is hard.

I'm not convinced Champions League stats should necessarily be taken as "impressive", unless it is maybe during the final stages. The teams that Arsenal will play in the Group stages are not necessarily world beaters. PSV, Lens and Sevilla. A couple of them might have been big teams at one point in history, but not sure they are of high standard this season? Would they generally fall below an average Premier league side? Lens are 6th in French League and Sevilla 15th in Spanish. I guess PSV are the ones having a good season in their domestic league, well out on top.

 

[Orikoru]

Pickford
Walker/TAA Stones. ? ?

Bellingham Rice Foden

Saka Kane Grealish/?

Add or take away from that

As I said before I'd like to see this kind of set-up.

Pickford
Walker - God knows - Stones - Trippier
Trent - Rice - Bellingham
Saka - Kane - Foden
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Trent playing that sort of Beckham role where he drifts out to the right, when Saka cuts inside. Bellingham getting forward, interchanging with Foden on the other side. I really don't know who the second centre back is, whoever is in form at the time really. Sadly we know it'll be Maguire, with Henderson taking Trent's place no doubt.

 

[Orikoru]

I'm not convinced Champions League stats should necessarily be taken as "impressive", unless it is maybe during the final stages. The teams that Arsenal will play in the Group stages are not necessarily world beaters. PSV, Lens and Sevilla. A couple of them might have been big teams at one point in history, but not sure they are of high standard this season? Would they generally fall below an average Premier league side? Lens are 6th in French League and Sevilla 15th in Spanish. I guess PSV are the ones having a good season in their domestic league, well out on top.

Traditionally Sevilla are a good side, I didn't realise that were doing that poorly this season though. Either way, he has 8 Prem goals, last season he finished on 14 - we're only just over half-way, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he goes on a good a run and matches or exceeds that number.

 

[Bdill93]

Traditionally Sevilla are a good side, I didn't realise that were doing that poorly this season though. Either way, he has 8 Prem goals, last season he finished on 14 - we're only just over half-way, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that he goes on a good a run and matches or exceeds that number.

Someone really loves Saka....

Would you not expect him to get better returns each year at present? He went quiet over Xmas but does seem to be picking up again ill give you that.

What I want is a 20 goal a season man out of him.

 

[Orikoru]

Someone really loves Saka....

Would you not expect him to get better returns each year at present? He went quiet over Xmas but does seem to be picking up again ill give you that.

What I want is a 20 goal a season man out of him.

How many wingers really get 20 goals a season? Even Salah only managed 19 in the league season. There's nothing quite like heaping ridiculous pressure and expectations on a young English player is there?

 

[Deleted member 21784]

How many wingers really get 20 goals a season? Even Salah only managed 19 in the league season. There's nothing quite like heaping ridiculous pressure and expectations on a young English player is there?

Bowen got 16 from the wing! Lol and we are crap

 

[Bdill93]

How many wingers really get 20 goals a season? Even Salah only managed 19 in the league season. There's nothing quite like heaping ridiculous pressure and expectations on a young English player is there?

The top top players do. He's capable of it.

Id want Son doing the same if I supported Spurs.

Were talking about a winger for one of the best 3 sides in the country.... They'll never win the league without a 20+ man

 

[Orikoru]

The top top players do. He's capable of it.

Id want Son doing the same if I supported Spurs.

Were talking about a winger for one of the best 3 sides in the country.... They'll never win the league without a 20+ man

Surely they'd be better off buying a striker? Watkins would be a good fit.

 

[Bdill93]

Surely they'd be better off buying a striker? Watkins would be a good fit.

He is a fan But that's probably another record fee considering his new contract

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Saka is a superb player , the one player out there that imo would be able to step in a replace Mo when he leaves

He is 22 and still developing and will have times where his form will drop off but he has all the tools to be a top player

He should be starting on the right for England

Imo this shoold be the England team at the moment

Pickford

Walker
Tomori
Stones
Chilwell

Rice
Jones
Bellingham

Saka
Kane
Foden

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Saka is a superb player , the one player out there that imo would be able to step in a replace Mo when he leaves

He is 22 and still developing and will have times where his form will drop off but he has all the tools to be a top player

He should be starting on the right for England

Imo this shoold be the England team at the moment

Pickford

Walker
Tomori
Stones
Chilwell

Rice
Jones
Bellingham

Saka
Kane
Foden

I would put money on kudus ending up at Liverpool as Salahs long term replacement, he is proving to be a real handful and works hard for the team.