clubchamp98
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Yes ( I did amend my post )
Thats a shocker and a red for me.
Second one is yellow for Cresswell and a red for the swinging arm.
I did have the game on but I’m decorating so that’s my excuse!
Thats a shocker and a red for me.
Second one is yellow for Cresswell and a red for the swinging arm.
I did have the game on but I’m decorating so that’s my excuse!
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
What about all the gongs they got last night off FIFA ?
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I hope they’re put to the wall, stripped of every trophy they gained, fined the total they won plus damages and driven so far down the leagues only their proper fans stick around.
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Easily missed.. I mean the ref was being paid to watch the game and he missed it so doing something else is excusable aha
I mean Bristol city deserve it, they took their chances better, we should have finished them at the London stadium . But leaves a bad taste when poor officials lead to the game becoming a joke .. if that first red or even yellow happens the tone is set early and none of this out of control stuff goes on imo. The ref lost control and failed to protect the players
Should all be taken off them as far as I’m concerned.
I know it won’t happen though.
rudebhoy
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I wasn't suggesting Howe should be sacked, however it wouldn't surprise me if he was. A lot of modern owners want instant and constant success and over react to bad runs. They also like "big names" which Howe isn't. Jose would be a disaster for Newcastle, but is the sort of name you could see the owners going for.
You do raise a very good question though about why Newcastle have suffered so many injuries. Is it simply bad luck, or is the training regime?
Swango1980
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Another criticism of the use of VAR is that the ref is always shown the incident in slow motion, as things often look much worse in slow motion. Yet the clip on your post is in slow motion.
It could have been a challenge done with a fairly reasonably force, and his foot bounced a bit upwards when it his the ball. So I'd definitely be uncomfortable, from that clip, saying the challenge was a shocker. Sometimes players boots will hit an opponents foot or ankle and not actually be a terrible challenge. More of an occupational hazard of playing a game where you kick a ball at around ground level most of the time.
I'm still not convinced the incident on Cresswell was a red, as I still think the player was trying to free himself from Cresswell's grab, not trying to punch him.
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It's at least a yellow in both occasions would you at least agree there?
Because with that neither player was booked for it.. they were booked 2 mins later for another off the ball
So failure from the ref to stamp out the behaviours caused further incidents
A yellow in the first half for that "tackle" would mean their Williams wouldn't be diving in all game
A yellow for both cresswell and the slapper would mean both would calm down a bit and not get involved again
Hats off to Bristol city they deserved the game, however the officials had a very poor evening
Both red for me. The first is a potential leg breaker. It’s too easy to say he’s unlucky that his foot rode over the top of the ball. He’s a professional at the top of his game and should have better control. Alternatively, let him stay on the pitch and he could do it again, and the message to the rest of the players is an over the top tackle is fine.
The second is (soft) violent conduct. A bit of a wild swing and, thankfully, poor contact but as well as the action there is the intent. Again, the message goes out to the other players it’s fine to take a swing.
Splitting hairs I might still give a red for the over the top tackle, and give a yellow for the second with a stern warning that a red will follow if there’s any nasty incidences of foul play, e.g. professional trip/shirt pull.
Swango1980
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It's about interpretation, and what you assume was in players mind. For example, in Cresswell incident I don't think it was a red, but I wouldn't be surprised either if one was given if ref felt he was simply trying to punch him.
Given both players were clearly agitated with each other anyway, it is normally a standard yellow card each. However, play continued, and I'm not sure it ever went out of play until they were finally booked? At end of that same passage of play, thet were still having a go at each other, so he got the yellow out (from memory anyway).
Tackle on Ings, I've seen VAR recommend reds, and I've seen VAR do nothing. As I said, without seeing in real time, I'm not sure myself. It does seem he could well have been making a reasonable challenge. At same time, if he arrived into challenge 100 miles per hour, then perhaps I could be leaning more towards some colour of card.
Personally, I do like games with a bit of needle in them. I hate it when referees stop play for every challenge with contact, and love waving cards about. So, there is going to be a balance of allowing a good competitive game to flow, while making sure it doesn't get out of hand. I didn't think ref was having bad game from what I saw, but I missed 1st half and wasn't probably watching it as intensely as yourself, as I'm a neutral
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I feel it was the refs failure to stamp any authority on the game in the first half Ie not even giving a foul for that first "tackle" set the tone and it was snide challenge after snide challenge.
Benny was wrong to kick out..rightly sent off However the tackle on him doesn't happen if the first is booked, because either that player was already on a yellow or off the field
@Tashyboy really interesting table. I'm always fascinated by this type of info. Is it about training, style of play, squad size / lack of rotation, poor homework on players bought etc.
With all of the sports science available to clubs now, some of these numbers are worryingly high.
With all of the sports science available to clubs now, some of these numbers are worryingly high.
Swango1980
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I also wonder if players are less inclined to play through injuries these days?
In the past, you hear how players would play through all sorts of injuries. They'd also get injections to help them get through it.
Whereas today sports science probably know players will pay a big price in later life if they do similar things. With so much money involved, clubs don't want to risk longer term future of players. Players don't want to destroy future contracts, and fairly comfortable missing games if they are on huge salaries anyway. And maybe clubs worried about future litigation if they don't treat players health and safety thoroughly?
rudebhoy
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Suspect it’s prob not far from the Truth
nickjdavis
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I think it is the high intensity style of play, coupled with an intense fixture program, combined with limited squad depth.
However, if there is one reasonably valid criticism that might laid at Howe's door, to my mind it is the seeming reluctance to make substitutions to bring fresh legs on late in a game or the continued use of the same starting line up. Sure, some of this is a result of the limited squad depth but there has been opportunities to make changes that haven't been taken.
In the away game at PSG, Isak was out on his feet for the last ten minutes, virtually just stood in the middle of the park with no movement. Isak should have been hoiked for a fresh pair of legs...we had a young lad on the bench Ben Parkinson, who is a striker, who could have come on and at least ran about, chasing and harrying PSG when they were in possession, rather than allowing them controlled possession and time to build attacks....Isak was unfortunately nothing more than a statue.
On the evidence so far, I'd say our owners have a balanced view of the world and know that instant success wont happen, they seem to recognise that FFP/PSR affects us is a way that it has never affected any of the so called big six. Growing our revenues (something that the previous regime were never really interested in) will be key to getting round PSR and already, in the accounts just released, there has been a huge increase in the last year. Hopefully a maverick has-been like Mourinho will not darken our doorsteps....if a change is to be made there must surely be bright young progressive coaches out there looking to step up a level.
Tashyboy
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Tashyboy
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I remember John Madden of the NFl saying there’s a difference between hurt and injured. Players can play hurt, but injured. The problem is that some players have had injections to get them through the game. Which then leads to further injury and complications. Another part of the problem say injuries like Cruciate ligament injuries. Years ago it was career ending. Now its months off football which adds to the stats and you return as good as new.
Swango1980
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True. With some exceptions aside, it does seem that footballers these days can generally play to a high level a lot later into their career. I remember as players reached 30, then it was assumed that their career at the top level was almost done. Whereas there seem to be more and more cases of players playing to a very high level well beyond 30. Ronaldo, Messi and Ibrahimovic didn't do too badly. De Bruyne is 32, Salah is 31. I'm guessing they've got several more years at the highest level before they need to consider winding down.
Lots of factors at play I suppose. Lifestyle (diet, alcolhol), pitches, sports science, etc.
Also, clubs have much bigger squads these days, can make 5 subs, etc. It is easier to rest big players if you know you have a fairly capable replacement, and know that even though your team would be a bit weaker now, it'll be stronger once your better player is back. 30-40 years ago, I reckon if a club had one of their best players injured, they'd know that the replacement could be a significant downgrade. And so probably injected them with whatever they could just to get them on the pitch. And, given that getting hurt back in those days seemed to be a badge of honour, I reckon players would be only too happy to play through the pain. Whereas today a player stubs his toe, and needs to take a month off to recover.
Norrin Radd
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Did he hit the target
rudebhoy
Q-School Graduate
He was waiting for a penalty shootout.Did he hit the target
