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The Footie Thread

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Swango1980 said:
Brilliant, VAR being used to rereferee the game again. Anything to ensure Sir Klopp doesn't get angry.

Liverpool rewarded for their player going down like a sack of spuds. Nearly 4 minutes to decide it was a clear and obvious error
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I mean it was a clear foul immediately. does he get the ball? no. does he come through the player and take him out? yes. Clear foul. move on with the game.

Why it needs to take 4 minutes and god knows how many views I don't know.
 
Swango1980 said:
Brilliant, VAR being used to rereferee the game again. Anything to ensure Sir Klopp doesn't get angry.

Liverpool rewarded for their player going down like a sack of spuds. Nearly 4 minutes to decide it was a clear and obvious error
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Yes but He’s done everything in his power to not overturn an obvious mistake.
But in the end got it right, but really looked like he didn’t want to!
 
hairball_89 said:
I mean it was a clear foul immediately. does he get the ball? no. does he come through the player and take him out? yes. Clear foul. move on with the game.

Why it needs to take 4 minutes and god knows how many views I don't know.
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The issue is, referees have been letting loads of those situations pass, to keep the game flowing. There is an expectation players should be stronger rather than just collapse to floor. Had a goal not been scored, it wouldn't be a controversial decision. One in which sometimes they are given, sometimes not.

Ref had a good view of it originally. If that is a foul then they should always be a foul. Not ignored to let the game flow.

But my main gripe is not whether one thinks it is a foul or not, as I see both arguments. It is, yet again, the lack of authority the ref is given in the game due to VAR intervention. Their responsibility is diminished, and when called to screen it is no longer their decision really, as it is heavily biased by the view of VAR.

I used to think VAR would only intervene if a ref completely missed something, like a cheeky stamp or punch to face behind his back. But now it intervenes with incidents that occured right in front of referees face
 
Swango1980 said:
The issue is, referees have been letting loads of those situations pass, to keep the game flowing. There is an expectation players should be stronger rather than just collapse to floor. Had a goal not been scored, it wouldn't be a controversial decision. One in which sometimes they are given, sometimes not.

Ref had a good view of it originally. If that is a foul then they should always be a foul. Not ignored to let the game flow.

But my main gripe is not whether one thinks it is a foul or not, as I see both arguments. It is, yet again, the lack of authority the ref is given in the game due to VAR intervention. Their responsibility is diminished, and when called to screen it is no longer their decision really, as it is heavily biased by the view of VAR.

I used to think VAR would only intervene if a ref completely missed something, like a cheeky stamp or punch to face behind his back. But now it intervenes with incidents that occured right in front of referees face
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Oh come on. That's a clear foul all day. The ref is looking straight at it, yes. But he's 30 yards away and clearly from his view thinks Hughes' right foot nicks the ball away.

Presumably VAR says 'you need to see this, Hughes doesn't get the ball' at which point he looks at it and realises the only way Hughes comes away with the ball is through fouling Endo. It's a foul and should be dealt with as such.
 
hairball_89 said:
Oh come on. That's a clear foul all day. The ref is looking straight at it, yes. But he's 30 yards away and clearly from his view thinks Hughes' right foot nicks the ball away.

Presumably VAR says 'you need to see this, Hughes doesn't get the ball' at which point he looks at it and realises the only way Hughes comes away with the ball is through fouling Endo. It's a foul and should be dealt with as such.
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If the ref agreed it was a foul if he didn't get foot to ball, he'd have just given foul immediately when he went to screen, as that was clear. He didn't, so presumably he wasn't sure if the contact was enough for Liverpool player to collapse like he'd been shot
 
Only seen the incident on Twitter, so just from one angle, but does anyone think that the decision would've been overturned if it had been the other way round? The Liverpool player needs to be stronger and has fallen to the floor trying to win the free kick. Klopp would've gone absolutely mental if that decision had been overturned against them.
 
ColchesterFC said:
Only seen the incident on Twitter, so just from one angle, but does anyone think that the decision would've been overturned if it had been the other way round? The Liverpool player needs to be stronger and has fallen to the floor trying to win the free kick. Klopp would've gone absolutely mental if that decision had been overturned against them.
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If it's the other way round, it's still a foul.

And for balance. That was a pen all day. And the ref looking at it once and deciding is exactly what we should be having.
 
clubchamp98 said:
Clear pen in this day and age.
Why has it taken so long though it’s an easy call.
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Because when you ask multiple officials to discuss the rights and wrongs of a decision, they'll have a nice little debate about it.

I have images of a flip chart in the VAR room, with 2 columns titled Pros and Cons. Between them they add to chart and discuss these. Then, when they ask onfield ref to review, the deliver him a PowerPoint presentation via video link to put forward their case.

All very professional....
 
hairball_89 said:
If it's the other way round, it's still a foul.

And for balance. That was a pen all day. And the ref looking at it once and deciding is exactly what we should be having.
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That wasn't my question. I've got almost no doubt that if that had been the other way round it wouldn't have been overturned. Apparently Liverpool's winning goal last weekend came despite a foul in the build up to it. Yet more inconsistency from refs.
 
That is a harsh second yellow for Ayew. Thought it was a genuine block tackle and just missed it. I guess once on a yellow, don't even try and tackle at all, just in case
 
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