clubchamp98
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They have been robbed there ,that’s never a pen.
Refs been very good but he’s bottled it there.
Off the chest is not a pen.
Refs been very good but he’s bottled it there.
Off the chest is not a pen.
Tashyboy
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City rammel first half, something like normal second half.
Swango1980
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A manager should get a rubbish squad player to smash up the VAR screen before kick off
Tashyboy
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Until someone does that ( and I have it’s going to be soon) nothing will change. There’s talk that the footballing authorities ar looking at introducing sin bins. I would suggest they sort out VAR before they go down that route.
clubchamp98
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There talking about using VAR more for second yellows and free kicks.
nickjdavis
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I wanted to write something about the PSG penalty.....but VAR has left me devoid of enthusiasm.
If PSG had stuck 3 for or 5 past us, or even got a "normal" equaliser in the last minute I probably wouldn't feel this empty.
....and to think I'm sat here, finding solace in a bottle of French beer.
If PSG had stuck 3 for or 5 past us, or even got a "normal" equaliser in the last minute I probably wouldn't feel this empty.
....and to think I'm sat here, finding solace in a bottle of French beer.
4LEX
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Newcastle still have a decent chance of making it through. Although that late goal changed the dynamics quite a lot. PSG won't find it easy in Germany.
Pin-seeker
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If that’s true, it’ll be quicker to watch all 5 days of a test match
Tashyboy
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Maybe the waters just got muddier.
Showed my lad the handball last night and he said” unfortunately last season that’s a nailed on handball, and unless the rules have. Hanged it’s still a handball”. There in lies the problem. If it’s a still handball it’s a crap ruling
Piece
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That Newcastle penalty. Now that's an awful decision bordering on incompetence 
Tashyboy
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Just had a quick Google and on the BBC site it states this. The last sentence sums it up nicely.Maybe the waters just got muddier.
Showed my lad the handball last night and he said” unfortunately last season that’s a nailed on handball, and unless the rules have. Hanged it’s still a handball”. There in lies the problem. If it’s a still handball it’s a crap ruling
What does the handball law say?
According to the laws of the game, when deciding a handball decision in a game, referees have three key considerations:- Whether it is a "deliberate action" by the player - ie have they moved their arm towards the ball?;
- The proximity of the player from the ball and the speed it hits them on the arm/hand;
- If the the hand or arm is in "an unnatural position", - ie away from the body
Would it have been given in the Premier League?
Where it becomes more complicated for fans, players and managers to understand is that, around the laws of the game, different competitions can include additional mitigation for referees to consider.In the Premier League, allowances are made by officials for when the ball strikes another part of the body first, prior to it hitting the player's arm.
On that basis, it is possible Livramento would not have been penalised had it been a Premier League match.
In April, the Uefa football board - an independent advisory group - recommended that "Uefa should clarify that no handball offence should be called on a player if the ball is previously deflected from his own body".
Keith Hackett, former general manager of the Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL), the English referees' body, told the Daily Telegraph that Uefa did not implement this recommendation for its own competitions.
"Last April, in their guidelines for the upcoming season, the Uefa board recommended that there should be clarity that no handball offence should be called on a player if the ball is previously deflected from their own body," Hackett said. "But this recommendation was not implemented - and Newcastle paid the price at the Parc des Princes."
Suffice to say it’s a shocking decision
Swango1980
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There was an incident earlier on in the half where a Newcastle player "handled" it. It wasn't given, correctly in my view. However if the one in injury time was handball by the rules, then the one earlier on was absolutely nailed on.Maybe the waters just got muddier.
Showed my lad the handball last night and he said” unfortunately last season that’s a nailed on handball, and unless the rules have. Hanged it’s still a handball”. There in lies the problem. If it’s a still handball it’s a crap ruling
I just don't think the officials have a clue anymore what they are meant to give. Earlier in half, their instinct was correct and they left it alone. In injury time, with the pressure of PSG trying to score, they crumbled under the pressure. VAR chap probably felt he'd be slammed by PSG for not at least recommending a review, so he put it in hands of onfield ref. And onfield ref, at monitor with thousands of emotional PSG fans was never going to stick with no penalty. So he took easy option, but I bet he'd rather VAR stayed quiet
I've just seen it this morningThat Newcastle penalty. Now that's an awful decision bordering on incompetence
. Oh, that's a bad one. Really bad.pendodave
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Can't believe we're going back and forth on another dodgy VAR pen when we should be celebrating the completion of West Ham's unprecedented Bake off/European Trophy double this morning...
Congrats Matty.
#weknowwhatweare
Congrats Matty.
#weknowwhatweare
The VAR official from the Toon game has been stood down for tonight. Why did the ref agree with his judgement though? He could have looked, said no, that's not a penalty 
. Too much reliance on the guy in the booth. The ref on the field still needs to have the final say, genuinely not just in theory.
. Too much reliance on the guy in the booth. The ref on the field still needs to have the final say, genuinely not just in theory.
GB72
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Lad from Leicester was robbed
GB72
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The VAR official from the Toon game has been stood down for tonight. Why did the ref agree with his judgement though? He could have looked, said no, that's not a penalty
I hate that it has got to the stage where I start to think 'PSG are the big club, big money behind them, UEFA want to see them in the later stages and so when that is in jeopardy it is no surprise that match changing decisions start going their way'.
Piece
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In the league of real football and no VAR, lovely comeback win last night for us! 
Swango1980
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Ironically, the same probably applies to Newcastle. Certainly in terms of having big money behind them, though perhaps the rest of Europe see them as a "small club" relative to PSG.
I'd never like to think officials directly make decisions based on such thoughts. However, when you get to such a critical point in the game, they probably know that if they make a call against the "bigger" teams then it will be all over the media. So it subconsciously influences them to edge towards making a call in favour of the big team. And by what we saw last night, it could have such a big effect that it even makes them make calls that would normally be 90/10 against the big club, rather than just edging a 55/45 call against the big team to be just in their favour.
A negative about VAR is that it maybe gives the VAR officials too MUCH time to think. Even though their initial reaction could be correct, they then spend 2 or 3 minutes going over it time and time again, and thinking of reasons why their original call could be wrong. Then by end of it, they've given themselves so much self doubt, they basically kid themselves that the opposition decision may actually be correct, otherwise why have they just spent so much time reviewing it in the first place.
