GreiginFife
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Good calls on many but in some cases I think there’s some confusion between ability and hype 
Correct.Good calls on many but in some cases I think there’s some confusion between ability and hype
With so many young players coming through all the time, all it takes is for a youngster to have a flash in the pan moment and then any subsequent failure to become world class sees them labelled as a failure.
Pin-seeker
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Macheda?
To be fair, there’s a world of difference between someone saying a player hasn’t reached their potential and that player being labelled a failure.
Gascoigne is a classic case in point. Not a failure, far from it. But he absolutely never fulfilled his potential.
I cited Raphael Burke as another example. He never failed simply because he never made it in order to fail. Of the class of ‘92, Eric Harrison, who coached the youngsters at that time, said that Burke was the cream of the crop. More talented than the likes of Giggs, Beckham and Scholes. That’s some accolade. So I think it’s entirely reasonable to say he never fulfilled his potential.
Pin-seeker
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Cadamarteri?Macheda?
Pin-seeker
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forgot about himThe next big thing, don’t ya know…
Gasgoigne struggled to recover from the cruciate ligament injury he got in the FA Cup final. He certainly never found the pace he previously had. Given too much time on his hands he partied too much. He did the same at Lazio, following a broken cheekbone & then a broken leg.
I was disappointed when the Boro signed him, thinking he couldn’t cut it anymore. He was getting on a bit but when he turned it on he was sublime and still very much capable of turning a draw into a win.
He was a George Best, a fool to himself.
Swango1980
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It is probably not an uncommon thing to happen, especially for young players at big clubs, and again if they are at that club from a young age.
There are many many talented youngsters out there. But talent only partly gets you to the top. Mentality is arguably much more important once you pass a certain threshold for talent. And if you have distractions in your life, like mates partying when you hit 17/18, and you have decent money and a promising future, I'm sure it can be easy for many to lose focus.
Pin-seeker
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Could it have been different if he went to UTD and played under Fergie?
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So new VAR protocols introduced after last weeks human error, whats the thoughts on this?
As much as it may be needed, i feel it's unfair on the teams that have fallen foul of the previous human errors/ incompetence/gross negligence. 12 apologies this seaeon and its only 7weeks old!!
The main question is, Is it fair to change protocols mid season? I dont think it is.
The integrity of the competition has been brought into disrepute for me.
As much as it may be needed, i feel it's unfair on the teams that have fallen foul of the previous human errors/ incompetence/gross negligence. 12 apologies this seaeon and its only 7weeks old!!
The main question is, Is it fair to change protocols mid season? I dont think it is.
The integrity of the competition has been brought into disrepute for me.
Bunkermagnet
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Something had to be done, they have been severely emabarressed by the whole thing.
Better to change it now than risk further issues for other clubs.
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To protect the integrity of the competition is it fair to change the rules as they go?? Im not sure.
If they don’t change the protocols, some errors won’t be eradicated. Also, all the teams were subject to the same protocols, and all team will be subject to the same new protocols going forward. Those that lost out to mistakes previously could fall foul again if the rules aren’t changed, as well as other teams falling foul for the first time.
I feel the integrity of the game is enhanced by improving the protocols.
Swango1980
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That is a ridiculous way to look at it.
A serious human error was made last week. We all know it. So they change protocol to try and reduce odds of that happening again. If they didn't, and another huge error was made this season, it could just as easily happen against Liverpool again, as with any other team. And if it happened to Liverpool again, I can guarantee Liverpool fans would be screaming it is a disgrace nothing was done immediately after it first happened
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Jimaroid
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It’s just another quick fix, a temporary weld on the clown car to drag it through another few performances. It won’t be long before a different wheel falls off.
Jimaroid
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Postecoglou says in an interview he thinks VAR should be scrapped yet people think the narrative is still about Liverpool? Give it a rest.
It's improving the guidelines to help avoid further mistakes, surely that's common sense. To leave a system knowing a fault exists is negligent. Close the fault, improve the system, fewer mistakes. That has to be better than further errors happening.
This type of thing happens each season with refinement of rules. They start off strict, they often loosen them up or tweak the guidance as the season goes on. Refine and improve..........
What's happened in the past can't be changed. It's happened to plenty of teams before, we move on
