The Footie Thread

[GB72]

I know iit was a total clickbait headline but certainly one worth discussing. Southgate's contract is up next year, if he decides to step down (the FA would never get rid of him), should Weigmann (sorry if the spelling is off) replace him if they win the World Cup on Sunday. Surely it has to happen eventually and without the need to be involved in the transfer market, recruitment etc it would seem the perfect step to take. Based on the fact that there have been plenty of male managers in the womens' game, that would defeat the argument that the 2 areas of football are so different that the skills are directly tranferable. I say why not.

 

[Orikoru]

I know iit was a total clickbait headline but certainly one worth discussing. Southgate's contract is up next year, if he decides to step down (the FA would never get rid of him), should Weigmann (sorry if the spelling is off) replace him if they win the World Cup on Sunday. Surely it has to happen eventually and without the need to be involved in the transfer market, recruitment etc it would seem the perfect step to take. Based on the fact that there have been plenty of male managers in the womens' game, that would defeat the argument that the 2 areas of football are so different that the skills are directly tranferable. I say why not.

Would the male egos in the dressing room respond well to a female voice telling them what to do? I'm not so sure.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

We keep being told not to compare mens and womens sports, treat them as separate entities, so on that basis, No. Wiegmann can go and earn her spurs somewhere in the male game, if she wants to, and then work through to the England mens team but until then, nope.

(I get the point of the chat though )

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I know iit was a total clickbait headline but certainly one worth discussing. Southgate's contract is up next year, if he decides to step down (the FA would never get rid of him), should Weigmann (sorry if the spelling is off) replace him if they win the World Cup on Sunday. Surely it has to happen eventually and without the need to be involved in the transfer market, recruitment etc it would seem the perfect step to take. Based on the fact that there have been plenty of male managers in the womens' game, that would defeat the argument that the 2 areas of football are so different that the skills are directly tranferable. I say why not.

I was thinking exactly the same this morning.
I would say she presents better than Southgate, and talks more sense.

 

[Tashyboy]

I know iit was a total clickbait headline but certainly one worth discussing. Southgate's contract is up next year, if he decides to step down (the FA would never get rid of him), should Weigmann (sorry if the spelling is off) replace him if they win the World Cup on Sunday. Surely it has to happen eventually and without the need to be involved in the transfer market, recruitment etc it would seem the perfect step to take. Based on the fact that there have been plenty of male managers in the womens' game, that would defeat the argument that the 2 areas of football are so different that the skills are directly tranferable. I say why not.

I would totally accept her being the next manager. Why because she gets the best out of players. Southgate don’t.
However there is one major hurdle. The FA. I have seen nothing to convince me that nothing has changed since Brian Clough never got the job. The old school boys club don’t do the 21st century.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I would totally accept her being the next manager. Why because she gets the best out of players. Southgate don’t.
However there is one major hurdle. The FA. I have seen nothing to convince me that nothing has changed since Brian Clough never got the job. The old school boys club don’t do the 21st century.

Pep resigns at Christmas, would you have her as the next City manager?

 

[Tashyboy]

Would the male egos in the dressing room respond well to a female voice telling them what to do? I'm not so sure.

From what I see, the male egos are not responding to Southgate

 

[Orikoru]

From what I see, the male egos are not responding to Southgate

Really? I think they all respond well to him to be honest. Many of them play better for England than they do for their clubs. Southgate himself may have held us back from getting over the final hurdles, with his negative tactics and poor use of subs - but you cannot fault his man management.

 

[GB72]

Would the male egos in the dressing room respond well to a female voice telling them what to do? I'm not so sure.

I very much agree with that but tthat is their problem and the argument is that they would be dealing with a World Cup winning (hopefully) and Euros Winning coach who has also had success with the Netherlands before that so no quetioning the credentials. Perhaps the reverse, so as not to be labled as players with issues with women in senior roles, they may increase their effort to make it a success.

There will be the argument that she should start at the lower leagues etc but woudl you really expect a world cup winning coach to be in charge of a league 2 club. She would have earned the right to have a shot at the top. In the same way that no end male coaches felt it appropriate to be parachuted in to the top levels of the womens game with no need to prove themselves first, it would not be unreasonable to recruit arguably the top coach in the women's game into the same position in the mens' game.

 

[GB72]

I would totally accept her being the next manager. Why because she gets the best out of players. Southgate don’t.
However there is one major hurdle. The FA. I have seen nothing to convince me that nothing has changed since Brian Clough never got the job. The old school boys club don’t do the 21st century.

I think the FA would go for it. The PR around the womens' game is massive at the moment and the FA could get themselves at the front of that with an appointment like this.

 

[Tashyboy]

Pep resigns at Christmas, would you have her as the next City manager?

She has proven herself winning two majors. She would certainly have an impressive CV
And if Southgate was made City manager it would break my heart.
Personally I would love to see Pep manage England.

 

[GB72]

We keep being told not to compare mens and womens sports, treat them as separate entities, so on that basis, No. Wiegmann can go and earn her spurs somewhere in the male game, if she wants to, and then work through to the England mens team but until then, nope.

(I get the point of the chat though )

But it was acceptable to put what were arguably poor, inexperienced male managers at the top of the womens' game without any experience (Phil Neville we are looking at you).

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I very much agree with that but tthat is their problem and the argument is that they would be dealing with a World Cup winning (hopefully) and Euros Winning coach who has also had success with the Netherlands before that so no quetioning the credentials. Perhaps the reverse, so as not to be labled as players with issues with women in senior roles, they may increase their effort to make it a success.

There will be the argument that she should start at the lower leagues etc but woudl you really expect a world cup winning coach to be in charge of a league 2 club. She would have earned the right to have a shot at the top. In the same way that no end male coaches felt it appropriate to be parachuted in to the top levels of the womens game with no need to prove themselves first, it would not be unreasonable to recruit arguably the top coach in the women's game into the same position in the mens' game.

The maturity of the two games are entirely different however. Women's football at pro level is very much in its infancy. The pool of women's coaches was so small they had to start with male coaches. This will gradually reduce as more ex-players or women who prefer to coach, come through the system.

 

[GB72]

She has proven herself winning two majors. She would certainly have an impressive CV
And if Southgate was made City manager it would break my heart.
Personally I would love to see Pep manage England.

I would look at in the context of the real top managers would never manage England until they are ready to retire. Look at the money required, the FA could never get a top manager out of a club. If Southgate resigned next year, we would be probably looking at Potter of Weigmann, who would you chose.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

But it was acceptable to put what were arguably poor, inexperienced male managers at the top of the womens' game without any experience (Phil Neville we are looking at you).

I didn't make that decision, don't blame me .

I suspect the low wages in comparison to the men's game meant there were not many people vying for the job. To be fair, having Neville there helped to raise the profile for a period and you could argue he helped move the team forward.

 

[Tashyboy]

I think the FA would go for it. The PR around the womens' game is massive at the moment and the FA could get themselves at the front of that with an appointment like this.

Just outta interest and I don’t know the answer. Does the same FA committees interview and give the job to men’s and women’s teams.

 

[GB72]

The maturity of the two games are entirely different however. Women's football at pro level is very much in its infancy. The pool of women's coaches was so small they had to start with male coaches. This will gradually reduce as more ex-players or women who prefer to coach, come through the system.

Hypothetically, she would have won the world cup. If there is need for some experience around her then that is where the coaching staff come in but she would be a proven winner and that would take her above most candidates.

 

[GB72]

Just outta interest and I don’t know the answer. Does the same FA committees interview and give the job to men’s and women’s teams.

I really do not know. Be interesting to find out though.

 

[GB72]

I didn't make that decision, don't blame me .

I suspect the low wages in comparison to the men's game meant there were not many people vying for the job. To be fair, having Neville there helped to raise the profile for a period and you could argue he helped move the team forward.

I would not expect anyone to tke responsibility for Phil Neville's management career

 

[Tashyboy]

I really do not know. Be interesting to find out though.

I ask because she is an inspired choice. Gareth not so.