The Footie Thread

[HomecountiesJohn]

My grief with Klopp antics towards the fourth official is kids have seen that. He complains that officials don’t explain there dodgy decisions ( and I agree with him) but how does he explain that. Not his finest moment.

Blimey he was only celebrating a last minute winning goal, not aggressive. I love to see managers showing their emotions. In the last 20yrs we've seen, Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola, Klopp,Tuchel etc show theirs and for my money its great to see. Football is built on emotions, take it away and its not the same game.

 

[backwoodsman]

Blimey he was only celebrating a last minute winning goal, not aggressive. I love to see managers showing their emotions. In the last 20yrs we've seen, Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola, Klopp,Tuchel etc show theirs and for my money its great to see. Football is built on emotions, take it away and its not the same game.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

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You do know i'm not a fan of any Premier League team dont you?

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Blimey he was only celebrating a last minute winning goal, not aggressive. I love to see managers showing their emotions. In the last 20yrs we've seen, Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola, Klopp,Tuchel etc show theirs and for my money its great to see. Football is built on emotions, take it away and its not the same game.

Klop was being a bell end. Celebrating is great, he didn’t need to do what he did, and there is no excuse for it.

The level of poor behaviour at all levels of football is disgusting. It starts at the top level and bleeds into kids football. Where behaviour from adults is getting worse.

Those predisposed to being idiots will see Klop (and others) behave like he did, and get away with it and think it’s ok.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My grief with Klopp antics towards the fourth official is kids have seen that. He complains that officials don’t explain there dodgy decisions ( and I agree with him) but how does he explain that. Not his finest moment.

Do you post the same “grief” when Pep does it


Multiple managers have done it - in fact prob all have

But appears Klopp is the only bad influence on kids

 

[Deleted member 29109]

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Classic whataboutery

 

[Billysboots]

Klop was being a bell end. Celebrating is great, he didn’t need to do what he did, and there is no excuse for it.

The level of poor behaviour at all levels of football is disgusting. It starts at the top level and bleeds into kids football. Where behaviour from adults is getting worse.

Those predisposed to being idiots will see Klop (and others) behave like he did, and get away with it and think it’s ok.

Absolutely bang on the money.

When my lad was playing junior and then youth football the behaviour of some players and coaches was unbelievable. A lot of the antics clearly stemmed from what the kids, in particular, watched on TV coverage.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Klop was being a bell end. Celebrating is great, he didn’t need to do what he did, and there is no excuse for it.

The level of poor behaviour at all levels of football is disgusting. It starts at the top level and bleeds into kids football. Where behaviour from adults is getting worse.

Those predisposed to being idiots will see Klop (and others) behave like he did, and get away with it and think it’s ok.

He was cautioned for it. Maybe he shouldnt have done it but lets have a modicum of common sense

I would argue the behaviour of children and adults on football pitches up and down the country stems more from society issues than what pro footballers do. I would like parents to take responsibility for there childrens actions. Sadly, there's parents out there who dont give a damn and their children are just replicating how there parents act.

Footballers and football managers cannot be held responsible for the actions of others.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Absolutely bang on the money.

When my lad was playing junior and then youth football the behaviour of some players and coaches was unbelievable. A lot of the antics clearly stemmed from what the kids, in particular, watched on TV coverage.

What were their parents doing at the time their children were misbehaving?

Parents should know better and i'm sure the vast majority do and will educate their children how to behave etc.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Classic whataboutery

But valid

Every top flight manager has done the same , yet when Klopp does something it’s a pile on and a bad influence to the kids

Since the days of Ferguson managers have been “bad role models”


But kids playing football and their antics - that’s coming from footballers and what they do on the pitch not from managers.

 

[Billysboots]

Footballers and football managers cannot be held responsible for the actions of others.

Nobody else teaches 11 year olds to go to ground and roll around like they’ve been shot when they’re fouled!! They replicate what they see on the TV at 10.20pm on a Saturday night.

Fortunately, our players were told right from the outset, by coaches and parents, that such behaviour was unnecessary and would not be tolerated. Other clubs quite clearly encouraged it.

But whilst there is doubtless an element of youth coaches and parents failing to take responsibility for the actions of their kids, the kids are merely replicating what they see at matches.

I remember a 12/13 year old scoring a goal against our lads one Sunday morning. He ran down the touchline past our parents with a finger raised to his lips mimicking a “Ssshhhhh” celebration. The referee told the opposition coach to substitute him.

 

[Deleted member 29109]

He was cautioned for it. Maybe he shouldnt have done it but lets have a modicum of common sense

I would argue the behaviour of children and adults on football pitches up and down the country stems more from society issues than what pro footballers do. I would like parents to take responsibility for there childrens actions. Sadly, there's parents out there who dont give a damn and their children are just replicating how there parents act.

Footballers and football managers cannot be held responsible for the actions of others.

I’m not talking about the behaviour of the kids. I’m talking about the behaviour of adults, both coaches and parents. Many of whom behave like the thugs and morons in the technical areas and stands at professional games.

I was at the ladies Cambridgeshire cup final last week. Their was a lot of young players and their coaches in attendance. The Cambridge United coaches were constantly shouting nonsense, having a go at the officials and questioning every decision.

What is more irritating, is some of these people are all over social media promoting the exact opposite behaviour.

People see that being accepted and then do it at their kids games.

I had to deal with some “emotional” knuckleheads on Saturday who’s team lost a game. Being shouted at and told to F off in front of a group of young children isn’t cool.
Unfortunately it’s not uncommon or unexpected with certain clubs.

I think the people at the top of the game have a responsibility to behave themselves and set the example to others.

I do agree that people should be responsible for their own actions.

 

[Tashyboy]

Blimey he was only celebrating a last minute winning goal, not aggressive. I love to see managers showing their emotions. In the last 20yrs we've seen, Mourinho, Conte, Gaurdiola, Klopp,Tuchel etc show theirs and for my money its great to see. Football is built on emotions, take it away and its not the same game.

Yeah but was it just celebrating Or showing emotion? I personally thought the ref had a shocker for both teams. Yet Klopp complains that the ref has history with the Him/ Liverpool. This was the same ref who according to the three players watching the game missed a penalty for Spurs. Missed a sending off of which the same player scored the winner. Like I said earlier Kids, parents, fans watch that and think it’s the norm.

 

[Tashyboy]

He was cautioned for it. Maybe he shouldnt have done it but lets have a modicum of common sense

I would argue the behaviour of children and adults on football pitches up and down the country stems more from society issues than what pro footballers do. I would like parents to take responsibility for there childrens actions. Sadly, there's parents out there who dont give a damn and their children are just replicating how there parents act.

Footballers and football managers cannot be held responsible for the actions of others.

So if the behaviour of kids and parents stems from society issues, why is it not tolerated In Rugby at any level what Klopp did. At rugby parents do take responsibility of their kids at an early age. Kids see their rugby role models behave impeccably and imitate their behaviour. These people come from the same society as the kids that play football.

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Nobody else teaches 11 year olds to go to ground and roll around like they’ve been shot when they’re fouled!! They replicate what they see on the TV at 10.20pm on a Saturday night.

Fortunately, our players were told right from the outset, by coaches and parents, that such behaviour was unnecessary and would not be tolerated. Other clubs quite clearly encouraged it.

But whilst there is doubtless an element of youth coaches and parents failing to take responsibility for the actions of their kids, the kids are merely replicating what they see at matches.

I remember a 12/13 year old scoring a goal against our lads one Sunday morning. He ran down the touchline past our parents with a finger raised to his lips mimicking a “Ssshhhhh” celebration. The referee told the opposition coach to substitute him.

I would add the media,more so pundits/analysts who use the "he's entitled to go down/ask the question/he was clever* " phrases week in week out are as culpable as the players. Then you've got the icons like Ronaldo/Neymar etc who are at the very top of the antics game being idolised by said 12/13yr olds.

 

[PJ87]

Classic whataboutery

Thing is what was klopp actually moaning about? That's what makes no sense. Pep and such normally have done it when something not gone their way ... LiVARpool had a few decisions go their way .. what exactly was he reacting over

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Thing is what was klopp actually moaning about? That's what makes no sense. Pep and such normally have done it when something not gone their way ... LiVARpool had a few decisions go their way .. what exactly was he reacting over

Maybe he was upset that the referee let Liverpool get away with kicking someone in the head and a stonewall pen. He wants consistency right?

 

[HomecountiesJohn]

Yeah but was it just celebrating Or showing emotion? I personally thought the ref had a shocker for both teams. Yet Klopp complains that the ref has history with the Him/ Liverpool. This was the same ref who according to the three players watching the game missed a penalty for Spurs. Missed a sending off of which the same player scored the winner. Like I said earlier Kids, parents, fans watch that and think it’s the norm.

It was both.

I agree he was poor and from my memory i cant recall him ever having a good game. He missed a few things to my mind. i dont agree with the Richarlison penalty shout, he was going down looking for it. The jota high boot i'm 50/50 with it to be honest, i think a yellow was right, fouls cant be and do not get judged by the outcome of the injured player. We've seen many instances were fouls occur, the player injured gets stretchered off and the player whose made the foul gets a red card then it gets rescinded the next week. I'm certain it was Son against Everton season before last.

I've just seen a villa player catch Shaw while doing an overhead kick and nothing mentioned about a sending off. Premier League Football is the pinnacle of the English game, unfortunately the Refereeing is Non League standard.

 

[Deleted member 18121]

Thing is what was klopp actually moaning about? That's what makes no sense. Pep and such normally have done it when something not gone their way ... LiVARpool had a few decisions go their way .. what exactly was he reacting over

That's the part we'll never know... In every game we see managers chewing the ear of the 4th official. I'm not naive enough to think that the official doesn't occasionally have a whitty retort that could wind up a manager and provoke a reaction of sorts..... Especially if you score a 94th minute winner and essentially want to say "up yours".

But let's be honest, football is absolutely rife with pathetic actions with everyone trying to get one up.... Pundits, players, officials throwing elbows.... They're all at it. Will it ever change? Doubt it.

 

[Orikoru]

Just outta interest, How good was Ledley King. Listening to Sky sports this morning and they asked the question we asked on here. Which Centre half would you like to mark Haaland. Lesley Kings name was mentioned. Was he that good?

If not for his crap knees he'd have been one of the best to ever do it in the Prem and for England. He was fast, strong, two-footed and decent on the ball for that era (not like nowadays when CBs are all decent on the ball but they can't defend). I believe he only got something like ten yellows his entire career and no reds, something like that. When Thierry Henry was asked who his toughest opponent was he said King.