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Haha no man could replace Lord Divock.?
Haha no man could replace Lord Divock.?
Swango1980
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To be fair, none of the pundits were getting carried away about how well United could do going forward. In fact, they were very cautious about that, and kept reiterating that last nights performance counts for nothing if they can't do it week in, week out. It was clear United have a long way to go, and are not suddenly title contenders, or even likely to finish top 4.I thought this also. ManU looked like a bottom table team having a Big Sam bounce (tee hee, I know, too easy) mainly because Liverpool let them.
I don't think they would have looked half as good against City or Arsenal right now. Or even a fully fit Liverpool.
And for clarity I think that ManU team last night would have ripped us toffees apart a good 4 or 5 nil the way they played.
The main reason I say this other than cheap digs is because I found the post-match analysis quite hilarious. You'd think Jesus Christ himself was resurrected and played for Man U last night based on the punditry. I didn't see Man U's previous match and I appreciate it's a huge step up in performance but come on. I don't want to see City run away with another league win and we need both sets of reds in good form to stop that nonsense.
However, all the praise was placed directly on how hard the United players worked. I know that should be a given, but for a long time United's players have fallen so ridiculously short of that. Week in, week out. And they have been absolutely slated for it. Some even think Keane and Neville are too harsh on them (I don't), and that could destroy the players confidence even more. So, given that the effort was so radically different last night, I think it is fair enough to give them the praise. Praise them if they deserve it, or criticise them when they deserve it.
For me, I'm still more interested how they'll do at teams like Southampton. If Varane and Martinez remain as the centre backs, and Casemiro comes in, perhaps we'll be less vulnerable on the counter. If so, that might make all the difference in games were we have most of the possession and the team push higher up the pitch.
Aztecs27
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Give yourself a slap and get a grip
We can let Arsenal give City a run for it this year, maybe Spurs as well.
Yea, quite. Nothing would make me happier than Liverpool and United struggling this season.
road2ruin
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I think this is going to be a better insight into United’s true showing. Granted we’ve been stuffed by Liverpool on a number of occasions recently however if you can’t be up for it against them especially when you’ve been humped twice in the opening two weekends of the PL then you’re never going to be. Playing Soton won’t have the same intensity in terms of atmosphere etc so it’ll be up to the players themselves to get themselves in the mood. Will they be able to replicate it or will they revert to type and show that the Liverpool game was a ‘blip’. Personally I think with the team selection ETH put out it’ll be the former and the performances will improve, at least I hope so.
chrisd
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I don't want to see City run away with another league win and we need both sets of reds in good form to stop that nonsense.
I'd much rather see City do it than both reds in any sort of form, happy to see Spurs or Arsenal being the main challengers.
Orikoru
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We might be jumping the gun a bit to write off Liverpool and call Arsenal challengers... You might as well add that Leeds being back in the Champion's League will be nice too.
Tashyboy
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In recent years the largest gap where a team ran away with the league was Liverpool when they won. ? last years was won by one point with City winning it with 3 goals in 5 mins v Villa In the last game.
Jimaroid
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They won against a very strong Liverpool team though - and that’s pretty much my point. I said before and I still think it’s true that that Liverpool side at the end of 20-21 was the best team I’d ever seen and it was stunning to watch.
To explain my rationale. I don’t want a hollow victory against a weakened side. I don’t want to just beat the B team. I want to see the best players in their best form go at it and for a win to mean something. A win doesn’t feel as good with all the “we were injured, we were resting, we played three games in six days” excuses even when valid. Yes it’s a fantasy of mine (lol, toffees) but I think the Premier league should be more than just a couple of teams at their best otherwise it’s just going to end up being something like Scottish fitba and nobody wants that.
Beating the best at their best. That’s what I’d like. I might see it happen in my lifetime but probably not.
@Aztecs27 what are your thoughts on James Garner? Considering the number of players you have bought this summer it seems slightly odd that you haven't gone in for him when you had him last season.
Everton are being strongly linked with him, obviously we don't need a striker, just more midfielders, but I haven't seen him in action.
Everton are being strongly linked with him, obviously we don't need a striker, just more midfielders
, but I haven't seen him in action.Swango1980
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I see that there was a pitch invasion at Crawley Town last night, after they beat Fulham in the Cup.
Will be interesting if the authorities back up their new tough rules, and ban everyone involved. Just looking at a single photo on the BBC website, there must have been at least several hundred on the pitch at least.
Will be interesting if the authorities back up their new tough rules, and ban everyone involved. Just looking at a single photo on the BBC website, there must have been at least several hundred on the pitch at least.
fundy
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@Aztecs27 what are your thoughts on James Garner? Considering the number of players you have bought this summer it seems slightly odd that you haven't gone in for him when you had him last season.
Everton are being strongly linked with him, obviously we don't need a striker, just more midfielders
Im gonna butt in here
Jon can correct me later was impressed with him last year when I watched Forest, to some degree he was the one that made them tick to a neutral observer. I guess the question is whether he could make the step up to the prem and it seems United have decided he isnt good enough for them having had him on their books for many years, which seems strange considering some that have played in midfield for them. Might be wrong but expect its a timing thing for Forest in that they got other deals over the line, pretty sure their fans wanted him backRRidges
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Does he get complimented with 'Great Escape' if he avoids a Yellow Card?@Aztecs27 what are your thoughts on James Garner? Considering the number of players you have bought this summer it seems slightly odd that you haven't gone in for him when you had him last season.
Everton are being strongly linked with him, obviously we don't need a striker, just more midfielders
No doubt Jeff Stelling often refers to him as a Maverick player on the pitch as wellDoes he get complimented with 'Great Escape' if he avoids a Yellow Card?
Sadly, that would go over the heads of most on the pitch. I appreciated it though
fundy
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Sadly, that would go over the heads of most on the pitch. I appreciated it though
it got a rather large sigh here lol
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Does he get complimented with 'Great Escape' if he avoids a Yellow Card?
Bravo sir???
Blue in Munich
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It was a groan here. ?
Aztecs27
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@Aztecs27 what are your thoughts on James Garner? Considering the number of players you have bought this summer it seems slightly odd that you haven't gone in for him when you had him last season.
Everton are being strongly linked with him, obviously we don't need a striker, just more midfielders
He's really good. I'm still hoping we'll get him to be honest (although we've got some real quality in midfield now). Gibbs-White was Cooper's number one target this summer and Garner wasn't far behind him. So if Fat Frank can keep his grubby mitts off him so he can come back home to the City Ground, it'd be much appreciated
Speak to any Forest fan and they'll likely agree that he's one of the best loan players we've ever had at the club.
Still raw as he's young, and his dead ball delivery was questionable early on last season, but was consistently good at the end of the season - we scored more from corners last year than we have in absolutely ages. Good work rate, reads the game well, creates chance and was a real game changer for us at times. I really, REALLY hope we get him back but worrying that none of the Fabrizio Romano's of this world are mentioning us in the transfer rumours involving him
I'm shocked United are entertaining selling him - he's an upgrade on Fred and McTominay by some margin (not difficult though, really
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Aztecs27
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Im gonna butt in here
Spot on old bean. To be honest, the focus being shifted away from him might have been forced due to the injuries we've had in EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. This season.
Niakhaté who had already cemented himself as our starting CB pulled his hamstring against West Ham and is out 2 months. Omar Richards, who was supposed to be starting LWB has a hairline fracture in his leg which will keep him out til the new year, and now Kouyate got a knock last night against Grimsby - so I know we're looking at LB and CB options currently as we'll need some depth there as the quality we have in squad depth for those positions is still light (despite signing a million players already
) and we'd be dipping into the U23's for emergency cover, which isn't ideal when we're off to the grim north west to face Haaland in 7 days :-|On a more positive note, our midfield and attacking options are looking quite exciting now though!
Piece
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He's really good. I'm still hoping we'll get him to be honest (although we've got some real quality in midfield now). Gibbs-White was Cooper's number one target this summer and Garner wasn't far behind him. So if Fat Frank can keep his grubby mitts off him so he can come back home to the City Ground, it'd be much appreciated
Speak to any Forest fan and they'll likely agree that he's one of the best loan players we've ever had at the club.
Still raw as he's young, and his dead ball delivery was questionable early on last season, but was consistently good at the end of the season - we scored more from corners last year than we have in absolutely ages. Good work rate, reads the game well, creates chance and was a real game changer for us at times. I really, REALLY hope we get him back but worrying that none of the Fabrizio Romano's of this world are mentioning us in the transfer rumours involving him
I'm shocked United are entertaining selling him - he's an upgrade on Fred and McTominay by some margin (not difficult though, really
The flip side is that Garner wasn't very good for us in his previous loan spell. BUT, it wasn't partly his fault due to the Watford coach merry-go-round. Wasn't really given full games he needed. He showed a good dead-ball ability and probably would have been good for us, if we used the midfield more often, rather than balloon it high in the air all the time.
Aztecs27
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He's had two loan spells for us - last season and the previous full season under Lamouchi - both times he's excelled. If I had to pick one loanee to have back at the club from last season, it would be him.
