Liverbirdie
Ryder Cup Winner
Let him go for nothing, and let some other daft sod pay £90 mill for him a few years later.
Epilogue: Then get nothing for him again a few years later.
Let him go for nothing, and let some other daft sod pay £90 mill for him a few years later.
Epilogue: Then get nothing for him again a few years later.
Foxholer
Blackballed
To me, he merely demonstrates what is (currently) wrong with ManU as a club - not, necessarily, with the players!
Whatever it is - and I have no real idea of the details - it should have been sorted ages ago. Rangnick is inept as the team's Manager and this has been obvious for a long time. Why he wasn't replaced some time ago is bizarre.
Fergie, as a Board member, is part of the problem - and perhaps even a major part of it!
hairball_89
Club Champion
I haven't, but any dad ruptured his achilles the season Brighton got to the FA Cup Semis a few years ago. penalty shoot out, final player on other team (I forget who it was) missed and he jumped off the sofa, achilles went and he hit the deck in pain! Mum and Sister thought he was having a laugh. Safe to say he was in some serious pain!
Swango1980
Well-known member
Ragnick replaced by who? Another caretaker manager? That would have been even more laughable. As a Utd fan, I've personally never called for his head. I had all but written the season off by the time he came in, we were a shambles. Yes, Ragnick has certainly not been successful, but at least it shows how deep the problems are. I'd rather he stay to the end of the season, and then be able to list everything he thinks is wrong behind the scenes. Hopefully very useful information for the new manager that comes in. A new manager who can then start off with a fresh season after a transfer window, and continue to look to build the squad thereafter. Whilst Ragnick has been in charge, it has given the board to properly (I hope) plan the long term manager, and get him at a time in which he comes available.
For anyone who says Fergie is the major part of the problem, I'd really like to know why? What is it that he does behind the scenes that has caused this chaotic team. Or, is it the same type of people that likes to be sensationalist and label Ronaldo as the problem at Utd, and come up with some speculative reasons as to why this is the case? I'm pretty sure Utd would still be in a complete mess if Fergie was permanently living in the Bahamas and enjoying his retirement.
Foxholer
Blackballed
The search for a 'proper' manager should have begun prior to OGS being dumped!
I've never said 'Fergie is the major part of the problem', though it wouldn't surprise me if he was. As a Board member, he's part of the shambles though! How much has Rangnick's caretaker management cost? Btw. I'm a bit surprised a Utd fan can't spell the manager's name correctly! I don't actually blame him - the position is a pretty near impossible one really.
Writing off the season may be appropriate, but that also means no CL participation next year too - so more than just this season involved. And that will also affect the level of player that can be attracted to the club next year.
Swango1980
Well-known member
I've not a lot of experience at running a football club, but I suspect it is unusual to plan the next manager for a significant period of time before sacking the current manager. They were always wrong in thinking that Ole was the long term solution. However, given that they felt that could be the case, they'd hardly be looking for a replacement going into the season. Things were clearly awful early into the season, and even then the board realised Ole was not the answer. However, they probably only came to that final conclusion shortly before letting him go. Not a lot of time to plan his long term successor, plus their options would be severely limited at that stage in the season. Maybe Conte was the only realistic option, but if they didn't see him as being their man, there was no point in appointing him just because that was all that was out there.
I appreciate now you say you don't actually blame him as the position was pretty much impossible, however I was responding to your comment that he was inept and should have been replaced ages ago. Well, if it was an impossible job, why sack him and get someone else to do an impossible job. You're post also put it out there that "perhaps" Fergie was the major part of the problem, so all I was doing was challenging that statement, whether you truly believe it or not.
Utd do not deserve to be in the Champions League next year. Of course not being in the Champions League has negative ramifications for Utd, but we really are rubbish. As much as I'd really like to have been in it, in a weird way I'm happy we are not, just to really highlight to the players how bad they are. And to the board.
P.S. I can spell Rangnick, but it appears my instinctive quick typing likes to leave an "n" out every now and then.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Check my posts! I've never suggested that Fergie is the major part of the problem....often that he's part of it (as a Board mamber) and perhaps a major part of it.
ManU definitely needed a 'big' manager and OGS was never going to be one of those, so that's where the problems began! Was Conte available then/when they ditched him?
I sympathise with the spelling glitch. I keep dropping certain vowels, though that might be laptop/posture related.
Just on your first point, I’d be very surprised if any major business, inc football clubs, don’t have ongoing processes like “Succession Planning.” It’s not just about a manager being sacked, he/she could be poached. The board will, in all probability, have a template for the type of manager they want and the type of football they want. Any decent business will review a Succession Plan on a regular basis to ensure that the criteria in the Plan is current to the trends in the industry.
Ah, but you’re talking about a decent business, Brian. And this is Manchester United. A commercial success still, no doubt. But a footballing disaster zone.
Blue in Munich
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Swango1980
Well-known member
Long may it continue.
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Blue in Munich
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clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
AF would not have allowed UTD to sign a player like Pogba imo.
Managers now don’t seem to have control over the signing of players.
I think Pep and Klopp do but how many others have control of signings.?
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Didn't he let him go because of his demands for first team football and contract? I could be wrong
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
Not sure ,that might of been the official reason.
“ he is an arrogant knob “ might not go to well if your trying to offload him.
Pin-seeker
Well-known member
No way would Pep or Klopp put up with his attitude.
He’s got to have a negative effect on the dressing room.
Pinching a living at UTD.
Pretty sure Pogba refused a new contract after he got overlooked in place of Schole's who'd cone out of retirement.Not sure ,that might of been the official reason.
“ he is an arrogant knob “ might not go to well if your trying to offload him.
Bunkermagnet
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