The all things EV chat thread

[Bunkermagnet]

Do EVs not have a seperate battery to power all the extras ?

If they did, how is it charged?

 

[larmen]

There is just general efficiency instead of air on or heating as well.
My electric bike is doing the same commute all year around, no AC, no radio, …

In summer I arrive back with 45% battery remaining, right now I hit between 38 & 40, going to drop a further 8 to 10% later in winter.

But we talk 4 kWh battery, not breaking the bank, swings by 20p for a days commute.

 

[Robster59]

I also can’t understand why the drop off would be that significant when using some heaters and a sat nav - it can’t be drawing that much power

And also how much is the drop off in the winter , are the lithium batteries that exposed ?

I've not driven an electric car long-term, but the battery drop-off in winter is high. I have heard from my colleagues it can be up to 30%.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

If they did, how is it charged?

Is it that much of a drain on the main battery ?

I've not driven an electric car long-term, but the battery drop-off in winter is high. I have heard from my colleagues it can be up to 30%.

That’s quite significant

I guess that’s depending on the build quality

 

[clubchamp98]

Fuel figures are based on laboratory tests.
Sometimes without a driver and at optimal temperature.

In the real world wind resistance, hills ,bad roads cold and accelerating,braking all add up to lower miles.!

Driving style is a big one also.

 

[Robster59]

Interesting news article here:
Formula E advances 'could bring ultra-fast charging in five years'

 

[bobmac]

Unfortunately both sides in the argument are entrenched with the same view every time. And I count the likes of yourself in this. If you had accepted/said “ yes, ev’s can run out of charge, same as ice” then we could have saved 3 pages of pointless nonsense.

Of course I accept EVs can run out of charge... unless you can show me where I said they can't.
Do I have proof this was done deliberately? No of course not, it happened years ago and I wasn't there.
But when I look at the facts, I can't imagine anyone would be so stupid to run out of charge by mistake in these circumstances.
Maybe, just maybe if someone is heading for a charger in the countryside where there is only one charger for miles around and it's not working, then maybe I'd believe it.
But to drive around Kensington/Shepherds Bush/Holland Park area for 20 miles in limp mode and not charge at one of the 48 chargers in the car park you're in, would be monumentally stupid, unless of course they were all broken, which I suppose is possible. But no, the car would know they were all broken and would direct you somewhere else. After all, other chargers are available ..



And if you think I'm going to say I'm wrong just to placate the EV haters, you're wrong.
I'm out

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Of course I accept EVs can run out of charge... unless you can show me where I said they can't.
Do I have proof this was done deliberately? No of course not, it happened years ago and I wasn't there.
But when I look at the facts, I can't imagine anyone would be so stupid to run out of charge by mistake in these circumstances.
Maybe, just maybe if someone is heading for a charger in the countryside where there is only one charger for miles around and it's not working, then maybe I'd believe it.
But to drive around Kensington/Shepherds Bush/Holland Park area for 20 miles in limp mode and not charge at one of the 48 chargers in the car park you're in, would be monumentally stupid, unless of course they were all broken, which I suppose is possible. But no, the car would know they were all broken and would direct you somewhere else. After all, other chargers are available ..

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And if you think I'm going to say I'm wrong just to placate the EV haters, you're wrong.
I'm out

Now put those same facts and stats in place for the 100s of people that drive past numerous garages everyday and run out of fuel.

People in normal cars are just as lazy and stupid and will run the gauntlet of thinking they can make that bit further on fumes. I think your taking your bias and using facts to prove your point rather than looking at the whole picture.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

For balance of blaming EV driver as stupid for running out of charge shall we compare the overall picture for better context!

Nationwide estimates:
A 2018 report from Green Flag stated that around 70,000 drivers ran out of fuel on roads across the UK each month, a figure that equates to over 2,300 per day of those only 43 were motorway drivers!

In a more recent(ish) 2022 report Whatcar did a survey in which 12million people stated they regularly run the car in the red line limit before refilling and driving last garages, 3/10 (28%) of those polled admitted to running out of fuel and needing roadside assistance!!


For additional context using EV drivers:

• Percentage of breakdowns:
  In the 12 months leading up to late 2024, "out of charge" incidents made up 1.85% of all EV breakdowns. The AA deals with about 5-6 out-of-charge vehicles per day, out of its 8,000 daily total breakdowns across all vehicle types.

Edit: point being there’s idiots in all cars that push their luck and stats can be made to fit any argument especially if you only take what fits your personal stance.

 

[doublebogey7]

I've not driven an electric car long-term, but the battery drop-off in winter is high. I have heard from my colleagues it can be up to 30%.

As someone who drives a BEV, I would say that is about right, when the temp gets down to under 4 degrees C, but that would include reduction due to use of heaters etc. Auxiliary electrics are powered from a 12v battery very similar to in an ICE amd has to charged from the main drive battery as there is no alternator.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Of course I accept EVs can run out of charge... unless you can show me where I said they can't.
Do I have proof this was done deliberately? No of course not, it happened years ago and I wasn't there.
But when I look at the facts, I can't imagine anyone would be so stupid to run out of charge by mistake in these circumstances.
Maybe, just maybe if someone is heading for a charger in the countryside where there is only one charger for miles around and it's not working, then maybe I'd believe it.
But to drive around Kensington/Shepherds Bush/Holland Park area for 20 miles in limp mode and not charge at one of the 48 chargers in the car park you're in, would be monumentally stupid, unless of course they were all broken, which I suppose is possible. But no, the car would know they were all broken and would direct you somewhere else. After all, other chargers are available ..

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And if you think I'm going to say I'm wrong just to placate the EV haters, you're wrong.
I'm out

I would suggest your image you post show what is probably 95% lamppost charging points.
As most of them are on residents parking bays, good luck being able to park close enough to them and not getting a parking ticket which I think is £80 from very keen and plentiful councils parking wardens.

 

[jim8flog]

My daughter had a Fiat 500
I hated driving it !
People looking at me thinking “poor lad driving that”! beware if she wants a lift somewhere

Sounds like EV would suit her.
The ice back up is perfect!

There is a memory from many years ago

I once bought a Fiat Croma and they gave me a Fiat 500 for free to go with it.

 

[PIng]

I also can’t understand why the drop off would be that significant when using some heaters and a sat nav - it can’t be drawing that much power

And also how much is the drop off in the winter , are the lithium batteries that exposed ?

The heater doesn't have a major effect on the range - It's because the heater gets used when it cold outside, and it's the cold that makes the battery less efficient.
Edit: just realised other people have already posted something similar

 

[Slime]

Is the BMW i3 still a thing? Small EV with an unusual look.

Is that code for pig ugly?

 

[Hobbit]

We’re looking at it as purely a commuter car for Mrs M she does a maximum of 70miles a week. So from that perspective it works out, her drive to work takes 6 mins, 10mins on a bad day. An EV would never work for me as my main car I do way to many miles which is why I have essentially a Chelsea tractor for comfort space to put everything in and ease of motorway driving.

It doesn’t need to be as big as the VW i4 something smaller is perfect as she’s literally using my little fin car buts it’s not economical for those journeys. We’re going to look over the next couple of weeks but I think we’ll be seriously considering a small hybrid as well just need to weigh the options.

I can absolutely recommend the Toyota Yaris hybrid. The petrol motor doesn’t kick in till its doing a reasonable speed, and if a lot of your journeys are urban you’ll rarely use petrol. Just doing local runs I use around £15 in petrol per month. But once you do motorway speeds it’s very uneconomical.

 

[Robster59]

Of course I accept EVs can run out of charge... unless you can show me where I said they can't.
Do I have proof this was done deliberately? No of course not, it happened years ago and I wasn't there.
But when I look at the facts, I can't imagine anyone would be so stupid to run out of charge by mistake in these circumstances.
Maybe, just maybe if someone is heading for a charger in the countryside where there is only one charger for miles around and it's not working, then maybe I'd believe it.
But to drive around Kensington/Shepherds Bush/Holland Park area for 20 miles in limp mode and not charge at one of the 48 chargers in the car park you're in, would be monumentally stupid, unless of course they were all broken, which I suppose is possible. But no, the car would know they were all broken and would direct you somewhere else. After all, other chargers are available ..

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And if you think I'm going to say I'm wrong just to placate the EV haters, you're wrong.
I'm out

Again?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I can absolutely recommend the Toyota Yaris hybrid. The petrol motor doesn’t kick in till its doing a reasonable speed, and if a lot of your journeys are urban you’ll rarely use petrol. Just doing local runs I use around £15 in petrol per month. But once you do motorway speeds it’s very uneconomical.

That’s what she likes about the Fiat 500 was exactly the same less than £20’a month in fuel. I personally am swayed that way but we’re gonna have a good chat and look over the next couple of weeks.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

Is that code for pig ugly?

Fiat Multipla?

 

[Robster59]

Fiat Multipla?

I loved the look of the Multipla. They ruined it when they put a "normal" face on it.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

I loved the look of the Multipla. They ruined it when they put a "normal" face on it.

Hang on, this is the EV thread so.......You don't know what you're talking about, its just rubbish
Thats better