Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
Apologies, meant USGA as you stated the US has studied the data. What data?
Texas Scramble Allowances
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Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
Used to be Dick, but everyone had the chance to win, now it's gone full circle and high handicaps are scooping everything with scores that are just not possible for lower handicapped teams.
Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
It's the allowances.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Just how many results do you have from post WHS scrambles?
rulefan
Tour Winner
As you are not satisfied with what you have been told, perhaps you should ask them.
Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
No I'm asking you as you claim to be ITK
rulefan
Tour Winner
It's not my job or my problem so you'll have to remain in ignorance.No I'm asking you as you claim to be ITK
Old Skier
Tour Winner
If you attend the many EG and county seminars you will be able to get the info first hand. It’s out there and since the introduction of CDH No and qualifying scores being uploaded for the last 10 odd years the relevant authorities have had data that allows for modeling to be carried out.No I'm asking you as you claim to be ITK
Is it an exact science- no - but it’s all we have.
rulefan
Tour Winner
BB is right though in that the old CDH data will not include any scramble scores.
Swango1980
Well-known member
Not suggesting clubs should just do as they like, and I've not yet had any personal experience on how the Texas Scramble Formats pan out.
However, I suspect a club could probably still get away with doing what they wish with handicap formats, especially if they assume it is simply a "fun unofficial competition"? Our club has a Mulligan competition, 3 Club Competition and Flag competition once a year. None follow the full rules of golf, but I am sure there wouldn't be an issue for the club, even if a member complained? We have competitions were there are gross prizes, so no handicap allowance at all. I have played in Opens were there is an upper handicap limit, or an additional % reduction, and those competition organisers do not seem to get in trouble with the authorities.
So, I personally cannot see the authorities threatening to take away a clubs affiliation because they use different handicaps to what WHS states? I suspect the only issue the club has is if members generally find the allowances unfair, many more members will simply not enter. I'm unsure how many higher handicap players never played in Texas Scramble before, as they felt they were at a disadvantage. I have no idea how many lower handicap players will no longer enter now as they feel they are at a disadvantage. The club will hopefully decide what is best for their members.
Banchory Buddha
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Well I'm not in England (clue is in the name), but there is no historical data on Texas Scrambles, until this winter the authorities didn't even rule on them, stated categorically they were "outside the rules of golf".
How exactly do the authorities model on data they don't have?
Colin L
Tour Winner
Seriously, and not meaning to be provocative, but why don't you write to the R&A and ask? You're not going to get an answer here from people who don't know any more than you do.
Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
Seriously, some on here keep saying there's data, I've asked them to show it. Of course they can't because there was no data on this.
but you in particular seem to have an objection to the fact that I did my own modelling, and it's come out exactly as predicted, but that's no use because of supposed imaginary research by golf's governing bodies.
rulefan
Tour Winner
When and who did you ask? I do know that England Golf haven't collected data.
I can't produce any data as I wasn't involved with the research and haven't been given access to it. I can only believe the the authorities when they tell me they have data.
You may choose to believe that either I or they are lying.
I have nothing more to add.
wjemather
Well-known member
You have stated that have only looked at your own and winning scores, nothing more. That is not modelling, or anything close to it.
D-S
Well-known member
As there are now mandatory allowances for these competition, will there be a standardised set of rules? Every scramble seems to have different ones - e.g. dropping or placing in the rough or bunker, can you stand behind the line on a putt in this format, 6” or a clublength, does the person who hit the shot have to play the first shot or can you pick and place for the first shot etc. etc.
If there are mandatory allowances, it seems only sensible that there are at least ‘usual’ rules.
If there are mandatory allowances, it seems only sensible that there are at least ‘usual’ rules.
Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
It's a damned sight more than what the golf authorities have done.
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Maybe your authority but we have been assured here that data has been used. I suspect that as America am golf is all about gimmies mulligans and I’ll give you five you could possibly be right as the data couldn’t be relied upon.
rulefan
Tour Winner
Just who do you mean by 'the golf authorities' ?
How do you know what they have done?
Banchory Buddha
Well-known member
1. Scramble scores aren't tracked
2. Until Nov 2020 they didn't even acknowledge them as a valid form of golf
Yet now we're supposed to believe they have data to back up their farcical handicap allowances? Aye right
