fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
well batted Joe Root, now time to see if Jimmy can get it to do anything on a very flat deck
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JCW
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Lords Test , I have been there in the past , just awesome place , weak SL team and England rebuilding so should be interesting , Great 200 by Root , Kevin Who ? England have moved on .................................EYG
Decent batting performance in the end. Great double from Root
DCB
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This has got Draw written all over it now. Steady batting from the visitors today with nothing happening for the English bowlers.
Piece
Tour Winner
Very close to a win! Last session was excellent. But....
...a bolder declaration yesterday evening by Cook would have made a difference. Just not a fan of his dull, safety first captaincy.
...a bolder declaration yesterday evening by Cook would have made a difference. Just not a fan of his dull, safety first captaincy.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Some of his captaincy this test been horrific, when Sri Lanka were more than 1000/1 shots this pm Broad was still bowling with a mid on and mid off and only had 1 slip and no gully - crazy. Also not to give Andersen the new ball as soon as it was available was laughable. Genuinely dont rate him as a skipper, there again its not as if we have lots of other options
Ultimately what cost England the match was 17 overs lost to slow over rates - the sooner something is done about this the better and with a bit of luck England will realise that actually if theyd bowled at the right rate themselves then theyd have had almost 10 more overs to bowl them out in!
Agree about the stupid declaration. Why have teams out there to see if Root makes 200? The win should come before seeing if one batsman can hit 200...
I agree that in hindsight the decision not to put them in last night was short sighted. What worried me was the effect their average spinner had yesterday and yet we don't seem to have a decent front line spinner since Swann retired. I think a decent spinner and men around the bat would have got results
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Nothing wrong with the 1st inns declaration, they were going at run a ball up to Root getting to 200 so didnt actually cost any time, lack of urgency and then not having a handful of overs last night far more culpable imo
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Should have had a good go at them last for 30-45 mins !
JCW
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David Gower declared 30 years ago And Greenidge got 214 not out and West Indies won with time to spare and he is still getting slated for it , nowadays with batsmans so used to chasing a target as they play so much limited overs matches its hard to judge the right time , but if they had a spinner like swann then declare earlier but they don`t as he quit . never forgive him for that , retirement during a Test series , that was a pure selfish act that has tainted his career . the stats show the slow bowling rate where at least 15 overs were lost , still to be honest to get as close as they did was a pretty good effort .......................EYC
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fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
Why was it selfish, his body was done and he was not fit to bowl properly and didnt want to undergo another operation (the previous one has only partially worked). He had no revs on the ball at all and missing his bowling didnt cost us (tho the impact on an already poor morale certainly didnt help)
JCW
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He would have been better off just playing to the end and held his head up high and retired but to quit like that was selfish , let everyone down , I have played this team game for years and sometimes its best to do things the right way , you tell me of another test cricketer that played that retired just like that in an away test series when he is an important member of the touring side .........he will be remembered for that rather then his playing skills , he bottle out , dress it up how you like but thats how it is , KP could have done the same but played on , yes he was the problem or was he , he was chucked out but never quit ................EYG
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If he carried on he could have done a lot of damage to his wrist that could have effected him in years to come. Yes that is selfish - selfish looking after his own body. Swann quitting through injury - yes injury wasnt the reason why the ashes was lost. He didnt bottle it and he will be remembered for all the good stuff by the people that matter the post.
JCW
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Rubbish , he quit because it was not going his way , bottle out when they needed him , if he was injured then why did he not retired and stated it was because of injury , he did not fancy it as the aussies had tonked him out of sight , I have played this game to a good standard and have met and played with many that only fancy or want to bowl when the going is good , soon as its a flat wicket they get injuries just like i have played with guys that never ever give up and bowl till the very end , the England side that got blackwash by the West indies at least tried hard and no one quit and when home or retired during the series , the were just beaten by an all time great side ..........................he quit simple as that .....................bottle it for the want of a better word
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Thats just a plob of nonsense at the end of the day
What standard you or anyone played at makes no difference to the "FACT" that Swann had elbow problems - he has a chronic injury - he had already had one operation ( must have been a fake one ) and he needed another one - he was getting no turn , no revolutions or dip or variations - he was cannon fodder for the batters and couldnt do his normal hold down an end or get wickets - he could find or bat because he was in pain. Those are facts as opposed to nonsense you have posted - facts confirmed by the player and doctors since.
JCW
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He bottle it , thats how i see it , next you going to tell us you were a test cricketer and bowl spin and score 100`s just like you said you was in the army on another thread awhile back , I bowl spin and scored 100`s in the leagues in Lancashire, hampshire and Dorset , even got cuttings to prove it , swann bottle it , walked out on his Team mates coz he could not hack it , simples
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Never once said i was in the Army - because i wasnt in the army - but no idea the relevance.
My cricket background has zero relevance just as your also has zero relevance - cuttings of you doesnt prove a thing about Swann
He has a chronic elbow injury - that is a fact - you cannot and fail to disprove that fact
JCW
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He bottle it , there was notink said at his retirement about bad injuries , he was getting tonked out of sight so he quit , he is a quitter
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