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Liverpoolphil said:
Don't forget to add the correction

Update: The Washington Post has revised their story with this correction:

This story has been updated to reflect the fact that figures include total migrant worker deaths in Qatar, not just World Cup-related deaths.
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Guess that makes it fine then. I mean, as long as football still gets to be played in small countries, that's more important than people dying, right?

IMO, anyone who prioritizes a sport over human life has their priorities wrong.
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Guess that makes it fine then. I mean, as long as football still gets to be played in small countries, that's more important than people dying, right?

IMO, anyone who prioritizes a sport over human life has their priorities wrong.
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1. Who says it's fine ?

2. Who says football is more important than people dying ?

3. Who has prioritised sport over human life ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
1. Who says it's fine ?

2. Who says football is more important than people dying ?

3. Who has prioritised sport over human life ?
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You do realise, that just because you don't explicitly state something, other can still read the way you're arguing? People pointed out that the WC should be boycotted because of deaths, you state that they can't do that, small countries need it. That's an indication of priorities. People should be (IMO) outraged over any deaths in the name of sport, not try to justify a WC because of the needs of small countries.
 
Interesting that Platini says that "a vast majority" of European Associations are planning to vote against Blatter. I would lie to know which ones are planning to vote for him.
I suppose we have to accept that bribery and corruption are not viewed as seriously outside maybe Western Europe and North America?
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
You do realise, that just because you don't explicitly state something, other can still read the way you're arguing? People pointed out that the WC should be boycotted because of deaths, you state that they can't do that, small countries need it. That's an indication of priorities. People should be (IMO) outraged over any deaths in the name of sport, not try to justify a WC because of the needs of small countries.
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Someone has died building a sports stadium for every single major sporting event - should they all be boycotted ?

People died building Wembley , Emirates , Millenium Stadium plus others - should those all be boycotted also ?

People died constructing the second Severn Crossing - boycott that as well ?

People die on construction sites - it's a dangerous job - it shouldn't mean boycotts occur

The figure of 1500 workers dying constructing World Cup stadia is false - is all construction in Qatar - and there is a lot of building going on there so there will be a lot of risk there as the place is one massive building site so there will be a great deal number of deaths there - that's not a reason to boycott a World Cup - wouldn't make a blind bit of difference and would actually punish the wrong people. If you want to read into that more than what i post then it says more about your desire to be outraged at what I say and looking for an excuse to create something - but then it wouldn't be the first time.
 
Sweep said:
Interesting that Platini says that "a vast majority" of European Associations are planning to vote against Blatter. I would lie to know which ones are planning to vote for him.
I suppose we have to accept that bribery and corruption are not viewed as seriously outside maybe Western Europe and North America?
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I think Russia are part of EUFA. And I guess they will vote for him, what with them bribing FIFA to get it in 2018. Sorry, meant to say what with them winning the bid fair and square on merit.
 
Sweep said:
Interesting that Platini says that "a vast majority" of European Associations are planning to vote against Blatter. I would lie to know which ones are planning to vote for him.
I suppose we have to accept that bribery and corruption are not viewed as seriously outside maybe Western Europe and North America?
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I will be amazed if they all vote against him

The prob is - is his rival any better ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Someone has died building a sports stadium for every single major sporting event - should they all be boycotted ?

People died building Wembley , Emirates , Millenium Stadium plus others - should those all be boycotted also ?

People died constructing the second Severn Crossing - boycott that as well ?

People die on construction sites - it's a dangerous job - it shouldn't mean boycotts occur

The figure of 1500 workers dying constructing World Cup stadia is false - is all construction in Qatar - and there is a lot of building going on there so there will be a lot of risk there as the place is one massive building site so there will be a great deal number of deaths there - that's not a reason to boycott a World Cup - wouldn't make a blind bit of difference and would actually punish the wrong people. If you want to read into that more than what i post then it says more about your desire to be outraged at what I say and looking for an excuse to create something - but then it wouldn't be the first time.
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But even though it is all deaths then a proportion of them will be as part of the construction of world cup venues. And this is just one reason why Qatar is not a sensible choice, both morally (human rights records, attitudes to homosexuality etc), environmentally (building massive stadiums from nothing that will never be filled again for a 6 week tournament is just ridiculous) and from a sporting perspective (it's basically stupidly hot, the nation has no history of football whatsoever and there will be no sporting legacy from it). All they are doing it for is as a status symbol and to get one up on their also extremely rich neighbours in that region.

Yes a boycott may well effect smaller nations teams who get some money from it, although I am not totally convinced that the revenue from a qualifying stages of the world cup for small nations amounts to a lifeline. But a concerted boycott by the major footballing nations would have a massive effect on FIFA and would punish them severely from a financial perspective, which is the only thing they really care about. Yes it is a bit last resort, but as the alternative increasingly seems to be leaving them to sort their own affairs out, which only the most deluded person would think they are capable of, then you have to look at other ways of reforming FIFA.
 
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Hacker Khan said:
But even though it is all deaths then a proportion of them will be as part of the construction of world cup venues. And this is just one reason why Qatar is not a sensible choice, both morally (human rights records, attitudes to homosexuality etc), environmentally (building massive stadiums from nothing that will never be filled again for a 6 week tournament is just ridiculous) and from a sporting perspective (it's basically stupidly hot, the nation has no history of football whatsoever and there will be no sporting legacy from it). All they are doing it for is as a status symbol and to get one up on their also extremely rich neighbours in that region.

Yes a boycott may well effect smaller nations teams who get some money from it, although I am not totally convinced that the revenue from a qualifying stages of the world cup for small nations amounts to a lifeline. But a concerted boycott by the major footballing nations would have a massive effect on FIFA and would punish them severely from a financial perspective, which is the only thing they really care about. Yes it is a bit last resort, but as the alternative increasingly seems to be leaving them to sort their own affairs out, which only the most deluded person would think they are capable of, then you have to look at other ways of reforming FIFA.
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Potty mouth agrees with this ;)
 
Hacker Khan said:
But even though it is all deaths then a proportion of them will be as part of the construction of world cup venues. And this is just one reason why Qatar is not a sensible choice, both morally (human rights records, attitudes to homosexuality etc), environmentally (building massive stadiums from nothing that will never be filled again for a 6 week tournament is just ridiculous) and from a sporting perspective (it's basically stupidly hot, the nation has no history of football whatsoever and there will be no sporting legacy from it). All they are doing it for is as a status symbol and to get one up on their also extremely rich neighbours in that region.

Yes a boycott may well effect smaller nations teams who get some money from it, although I am not totally convinced that the revenue from a qualifying stages of the world cup for small nations amounts to a lifeline. But a concerted boycott by the major footballing nations would have a massive effect on FIFA and would punish them severely from a financial perspective, which is the only thing they really care about. Yes it is a bit last resort, but as the alternative increasingly seems to be leaving them to sort their own affairs out, which only the most deluded person would think they are capable of, then you have to look at other ways of reforming FIFA.
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There is valid reasons that Qatar shouldn't have got the WC - human rights etc , bribery and the weather yes

But building stadium not to be used again ? Thats not a reason , and using it as a status symbol - well again can't see why that's a reason to boycott

Sporting legacy - well that really can't be determined until after - they could use all the stadia to create teams and a league

Boycott for the right reasons.
 
The stadium in bela Horizonte Brazil built for the WC ha now been turned in to a prison of some sort there is no chance of a team being anywhere near to the top tier of the domestic seen in the area.

A lot of the recent stadiums from these major events are rarely used afterwards or modified for other uses, even the Olympic stadium here is being given away to be used as a football ground.
 
Sure enough - Blatter out of sight most of today - where was he? Climbing Everest of course.

And so he stands up on his highest ground and proclaims how horrified he is; how no-one can monitor everything that's going on; that things can't go on like this dragging football's name through the mud; blah blah blahtter.
 
So Blatter has come out and said he can't be held responsible for the corrupt actions of others. Well as the head of Fifa I'd say that is exactly within your remit and an organisation that has championed "Fair Play" as a major worldwide initiative should have honesty and fairness at its very core. Loved Platini's comment that he should go "before it's too late to resign" (talk about a veiled threat). I am certain Russia will vote for Blatter but if the majority of Uefa don't how much balance does their vote have on proceedings and how much voting powers do the other areas have. Where will Blatter's rival need to gander votes from?
 
I'll say it again. Any FA competing or allowing their teams to compete in FIFA sanctioned tournaments prior to his removal are (imo) condoning all that has gone on.
UEFA and its members should be flexing their muscle on this one, in fact they should have done so long ago. But, no, theyll vote tomorrow as if nothing has happened, make some noises to placate the sponsors and the (gravy) train will role on. Makes you wonder if they all have something to hide themselves.

The stench of corruption in football is rotten. It'll soon be as corrupt as boxing or the dogs!
 
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