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Lallana would have played a lot more games for us but suffered a lot of niggly injuries
Lallana would have played a lot more games for us but suffered a lot of niggly injuries
I'm confused. Liverpool went from 2nd to outside CL qualification, dropped out of the CL at the first stage and didn't do much better in the Europa league. Surely the expectations would have been higher than the end result so I can't see why its considered such a good campaign
ColchesterFC
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We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. My opinion is that Leicester had a more successful season than Liverpool as they achieved their seasons objectives while Liverpool failed in their's. You view it differently which is fine. It's not just Liverpool though. Man City and Arsenal also failed to achieve their season's objectives so can't be said to have had good seasons although Arsenal's could improve depending on tomorrow's result.
But did Arsenal fail? CL qualification again, a chance of silverware tomorrow. I would have thought that met with what they set out to achieve
richart
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Hold on this thread is about summer transfers, not about Liverpools or other teams past season. Aaaaaarrrrrrgggghhhhhh
ColchesterFC
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I would think that they were aiming to win the league so in that regard they have failed but they will have achieved some of their objectives for the season.
Not sure I'd agree there. Of course Wenger will always make the right noises about being contenders but I think realistically he knew he was perhaps a couple of top players short.
USER1999
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Sorry, I think I might have fallen off my chair, and bashed my head. Win the league? Arsenal? Not a chance. It was never a realistic proposition. 3rd place and a cup run is about the limit of their ambitions at the moment.
Buy a proper keeper, a real winger, instead of cazorla or Ramsey, a defensive midfielder and may be a benzema, and we are talking.
Arsenal have been about 4 players short of a championship winning squad for the last 5 or so years. Everyone other than the French bloke has seen this, but it's gone unaddressed.
For me, arsenal need a goal keeper, and I'd take Forster from Southampton, or begovich. A winger, say marco Reus, a defensive midfielder, say Shneiderlin, and Benzema. If they could add another couple of Germans I wouldn't say no.
Honestly though, I'd guess it'll be another 14 year old French left footed midget.
Off loads, Szchesny, podolski, Wellington, Joel Campbell, Flamini, Walcott at the right price, Ramsey if Madrid stump up 50m, I'd give wilshere another season, Diaby has to go, Arteta maybe, I'd give rocky another season, but he needs to play a bit.
It's a big season for Wellbeck next year, he needs to step up. He has all the attributes, but not the goal scoring. Wilshere and Ramsey need to gain some consistency, and stay fit. Walcott needs to make a decision, and realise he isn't going to be the top earner if he sits on the bench all the time.
Callum chambers has been a good signing, but needs a lot more time to develope. He's no where near a starting in the first team, but has shown enough promise to keep faith in. It's a big step up from Soton to arsenal. It just is.
Jenkinson on loan at West Ham, I'm not sure about. Belle rain has had a good season, and I can't see a way back for him.
Next season needs more rotation. Ozil, Cazorla and Sanchez particularly look jaded. 50 games for Sanchez is daft. He's come from the bench at Barca, and played 50 games?
SaintHacker
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Is this the same Soton thats beaten Arsenal in two out of three games this season?
Piece
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We need two strong centre halves, pacey too. Defensive midfielder, plus two midfielders to run box to box.
And probably a new manager, again
And probably a new manager, again
garyinderry
Ryder Cup Winner
Southampton players moving to Liverpool and sitting on the bench is advancing their careers well.
Sterling jumping a sinking ship and moving to a club above them would be the wrong move for the boy.
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Sterling jumping a sinking ship and moving to a club above them would be the wrong move for the boy.
:thup:
MadAdey
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well said that man. 😃
Pin-seeker
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I wasn't aware of that with Kakuta
you win some,you lose some.I'd love to see Cech stay,but he's far too good to be a No2,hopefully he moves abroad.
With Costa's hamstring it would be big gamble not to sign another experienced striker,especially with Remy having injury problems of his own.
As for CB,I'd like to see Varan from Real arrive.
Pin-seeker
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The man makes a very good point.
A better season than Southampton, yes. But not a good season in terms of where you finished the previous season. I'd say Liverpool are going backwards quicker than an Italian infantry regiment. Saurez left, and what was brought in wasn't good enough. In some cases a waste of a lot of money. Carragher retired last season and what has replaced him? Gerrard has retired, and although Henderson looks the part occasionally he's got some improving to do. Sterling, potentially, leaving.
The team you finished this season is a shadow of what finished the previous season. If ever a team had the potential and the reputation it's Liverpool but realising that will mean shifting a lot of dross off the wage bill and buying class players, not buying might be's. And if Liverpool don't invest heavily in the transfer market they've got Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal that will easily finish above them. Once again they'll be fighting for that 4th spot, and it will be a fight with Utd, Tottenham, Southampton.
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I certainly dont think its all bad at all - certainly nowhere near as bad as we were a couple of seasons a go - a poor last month was a killer for us - without that then we would of hit 4th spot. Threw away a lot of points. Definately need improved signings in the summer and some from last year will have the benefit of a full pre season and a season in the prem under their belt.
Two season ago we were finishing 7th and 12 points behind CL , season before that 8th 17 points behind , before that 6th 10 points behind
Last season was certainly a case of overachieving for the squad we had
There will be players leaving in the summer and there will be players arriving - getting regular CL is the short term aim right now - then it will be a move forward to the title challenge but its not an overnight job - never has been - even City it took a lot of money and a number of seasons.
I genuinely think that you've missed the boat. Yes you lost out because of a bad run at the end. And no Sturbridge. But do you have faith that you'll go and spend £150 -£200m. Coz that's what it cost Utd to breach the gap. But just like your players having had a year to bed in. So to have UTD's. City and Chelsea are shoe ins. And whatever we all like to say about arsenals ambition. They'll no doubt finish top four.
I think if you compare yours and UTDS current squads. Utd have the better. And will most likely spend considerably more this season. I heard a report recently that England in two seasons could lose fourth cl place too. Not so much due to our cl teams performances. But that of the Europa. Hopefully English clubs chase the cl place for winning it. As I'd imagine the odds of winning the Europa would probably be as favourable as fourth.
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Differentt players at different stages of careers
Each player assessed on his own career
Sterling - young player - learning his trade - developing - needs regular game time
Lambert - coming to the end of his career - moved to Liverpool because it was his dream and knew he wouldnt be a guarantee starter.
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We didnt spend £150-200 mil to breach the gap last time ?
Not sure where you heard the report about loosing our 4th place but we are still 2nd in the rankings after this season and over 10 points clear on Italy. WOuld need massive performances from Italy over the next 3 years to overtake us - but even then we have Germany in between. The Europa Lge points are still minimal.
I think it was more that if other nations teams start winning Europa and having an extra team I the cl the following year. That points difference will soon be eroded. It was all rather depressing though as it was based on this years teams performance which were lower than usual. But it's still plausible.
I I don't think you've ever spent £150m nett. Which you'd need to do. I mean, you may sell a few players this summer. But I can't see you raising much capital. So you'd have to dig into your owners. And they seem rather keen to run as a business.
