Summer Transfer Thread

[Papas1982]

Let's be honest - we had the same conversation last summer in regards - Lallana , Lovren , Shaw etc - and they all left

And when a club stumps up the money then Clyne , Fonte , Scnederlin Pelle etc will leave because they will go to clubs that will advance their career

Playing for those clubs improves the chances of Inty football , it gives them chances to play with and against better players , improves their wage and exposure

If and IMO when the fee is accepted then Clynne will sign terms with Liverpool IMO because it's a step forward

I don't em ever saying any of those who'd stay. I said we would get top price. And I think we did. I'd say only Lallana has got maybe a similar reputation as he had last season. How many would you say have a better reputation to last season.

And there is a significant difference from leaving a club blunt for relegation to go to a cl team. Now it's Europa to Europa for a club that will only pay as much as we'd offer anyway I imagine.

Players play for trophies occasionally and money mainly. He can expect more chance of getting more of both at better (not bigger) clubs Han Liverpool in one years time.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you agreeing with me?

Certainly on the pitch he has played poorly - had high hopes for him and he started well but he looked nervous every time he played , started to play a lot better towards the end of the season and can figure out why he seemed to struggle ( when he has all the physical attributes to do well ) then can see him improving massively next year

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did being the operative word. You spent in excess of £200m and finished 2 points above us. 2 points. How is that an improvement? Also when you factor in the time they spent on the pitch compared to what they would have got had they stayed, where lets face it they were the first three names on the team sheet, I fail to see how any one can say they've gone onto to better things. I suppose their bank balances might be a bit fatter.

They moved to a bigger team and club - simple as that , that's improvement unless you think Southampton had a better season ?

 

[Papas1982]

Did being the operative word. You spent in excess of £200m and finished 2 points above us. 2 points. How is that an improvement? Also when you factor in the time they spent on the pitch compared to what they would have got had they stayed, where lets face it they were the first three names on the team sheet, I fail to see how any one can say they've gone onto to better things. I suppose their bank balances might be a bit fatter.

hindsight is wonderful. And whilst this season I don't think one extra year with us will do clynes career less good than a season at Liverpool.

Those players left left a team that didn't have European football at all. And played it. So yes their careers improved. As much as they'd hoped. Obviously not.

But it as a fellow saints fan. Ask yourself this. On their performances this season. Do you think we'd be as close to the top clubs if they'd all stayed?

So have their careers gone backwards then ?

Did they join clubs that ended up "behind" Southampton this season ? - did they all play in the top comp in European Football ( bar Shaw )

As much as we have had a disappointing season we still ended up ahead of Southampton - something I believe some Saints fans said wouldn't happen.

So how have their careers not moved forward then ?

Pill hold my hands up to that one. Although in my defence. I did say you wouldn't finish above us in the cl places when we were 3/4th. So I was kinda right 😁😁😁😁

 

[SaintHacker]

Liverpool, expected to do well in the CL, top 4 finish, possibly challenge for league. Finished 6th.
Saints, expected to be relegated. Finished 7th and with a good chance of playing in the Europa league, along with Liverpool and Spurs.
I know who I think had the better season!

 

[Papas1982]

They moved to a bigger team and club - simple as that , that's improvement unless you think Southampton had a better season ?

Isnt that the same thing? If you'd said biggest and better club/team it would make sense.

Ill hold old my hands up you are both those things. Better as in more likely of success before anyone chirps I Like Pool over saints lol.

I I just don't think you're gonna be the draw this year as you were last year. All joking aside, as far as reputation goes. Give gone from signing balotelli to trying to sign iings.....

 

[MadAdey]

It scares me to think Rogers is having the cheque book again. IMO our best CBs are the freebie from City, a young German CM and Skyrtl who Rafa Purchased, not the £38m worth of talent the Rogers purchased.

Llanna £25m, Markovic £20m, Allen £15m, not one has looked even close to their price tag.

I thought was someone who was going to do some good dealings in the transfer window when he manged to get Sturridge and Couthino for £20m, now I wonder on who will keep things under control.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Liverpool, expected to do well in the CL, top 4 finish, possibly challenge for league. Finished 6th.
Saints, expected to be relegated. Finished 7th and with a good chance of playing in the Europa league, along with Liverpool and Spurs.
I know who I think had the better season!

Can't argue with that! :thup:

 

[Pin-seeker]

It scares me to think Rogers is having the cheque book again. IMO our best CBs are the freebie from City, a young German CM and Skyrtl who Rafa Purchased, not the £38m worth of talent the Rogers purchased.

Llanna £25m, Markovic £20m, Allen £15m, not one has looked even close to their price tag.

I thought was someone who was going to do some good dealings in the transfer window when he manged to get Sturridge and Couthino for £20m, now I wonder on who will keep things under control.

You made the £20 charitable donation for our bet yet Adey??

 

[Pin-seeker]

Can't argue with that! :thup:

Who would you like to see arrive at Chelsea?
Another top striker is a must IMO.
Not seen too much of the lad at Atletico,Greizman.
Very highly rated tho.
I'd be happy to get Dzeko as back up for Costa tbh.

 

[SaintHacker]

But it as a fellow saints fan. Ask yourself this. On their performances this season. Do you think we'd be as close to the top clubs if they'd all stayed?

Not really a fair comparison. Lambert has hardly played and Lallana hasn't played anywhere near as much as he would have with us, so in that case no. However do I think we would be better off with those two in their normal roles for us? Absolutely, Pelle isn't a patch on Lambert in his prime and I don't think Tadic is nearly as good in that role as Lallana was. Lovren I wouldn't swap, Alderwiereld is better, and I prefer Bertrand to Shaw.

 

[Baldy Bouncer]

As a Liverpool fan I`d like the Board to sign a Manager that will take them forward, Ancelotti or Klopp should be who they should be talking to.
Rodgers has reverted back to the playing style he adopted at Swansea for this season just gone, look at the style he had to adopt with Suarez in the side, more attacking and flowing and it nearly got them the League, this season just gone!, pfft!, that`s more how Rodgers manages, boring and dull, dull, dull.
I`ll give him 2 months of next season before the Board lose patience, after another summer transfer window of over-priced mediocrity.
IMO of course.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Liverpool, expected to do well in the CL, top 4 finish, possibly challenge for league. Finished 6th.
Saints, expected to be relegated. Finished 7th and with a good chance of playing in the Europa league, along with Liverpool and Spurs.
I know who I think had the better season!

In terms of expectations yes Southampton have had a better season in comparison to their expectations

But overall we had a better season so the players that did leave you to us did improve on last season

 

[Papas1982]

Not really a fair comparison. Lambert has hardly played and Lallana hasn't played anywhere near as much as he would have with us, so in that case no. However do I think we would be better off with those two in their normal roles for us? Absolutely, Pelle isn't a patch on Lambert in his prime and I don't think Tadic is nearly as good in that role as Lallana was. Lovren I wouldn't swap, Alderwiereld is better, and I prefer Bertrand to Shaw.

lallana has had injuries. Something which could of happened with us.

Lambert in in his prime with us performed for the last season in championship and first year in prem. he'd already been dropped deeper towards the end to get Jay as our main striker. Lambert was quality. But Pelle is the better player now. Especially his hold up play. Lambert wouldn't have done as well this season for us as he had in previous seasons. His decline is apparent.

But it the question was a simple one. All the players we have now. Or all the players we had. As we wouldn't of had mane or Bertrand for example without player sales. Imo this squad is better than the one at the end of last season.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Who would you like to see arrive at Chelsea?
Another top striker is a must IMO.
Not seen too much of the lad at Atletico,Greizman.
Very highly rated tho.
I'd be happy to get Dzeko as back up for Costa tbh.

Depending on Remy's fitness I might be prepared to take a chance on promoting Solanke to the first team squad. If Remy is suspect then another top striker is a must. Apparently we had a choice of Griezmann or Kakuta a while ago and took the skill of Kakuta over the team play of Griezmann… :angry: I wouldn't be unhappy with Dzeko but I'd prefer someone younger.

We also need another keeper as I feel Big Pete is on his way; wouldn't be unhappy with Robert Green from QPR.

Other than that i think we are reasonably solid; I'd be more concerned about a centre back than some other positions as JT can't go on forever.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not really a fair comparison. Lambert has hardly played and Lallana hasn't played anywhere near as much as he would have with us, so in that case no. However do I think we would be better off with those two in their normal roles for us? Absolutely, Pelle isn't a patch on Lambert in his prime and I don't think Tadic is nearly as good in that role as Lallana was. Lovren I wouldn't swap, Alderwiereld is better, and I prefer Bertrand to Shaw.

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=16995
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=44463

They both played more than you thought

 

[ColchesterFC]

In terms of expectations yes Southampton have had a better season in comparison to their expectations

But overall we had a better season so the players that did leave you to us did improve on last season

But surely a season can only be judged against the expectations at the start of the season. Taking your logic to the extreme if Liverpool had finished the season 13th, one place above Leicester you would have had a more successful season. Even though Leicester's ambition for the season was survival whcih they achieved and Liverpool's was CL football and to challenge for the title which they would've failed to achieve.

 

[SaintHacker]

http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=16995
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=44463

They both played more than you thought

Not really. I was comparing to what they would have played for Saints, where they would have almost certainly played every game dependant on injuries obviously

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Not really. I was comparing to what they would have played for Saints, where they would have almost certainly played every game dependant on injuries obviously

But didn't both have injuries and Rodgers clearly had a rotational policy in force for the Europa league. They were sold by Southampton, willingly or not and ended up at Anfield. The thing I would take is how far above expectations your side performed having been plundered last year. Did Liverpool exceed theres? I would say no but clearly some Liverpool fans are saying yes but if they are as big as they are thought to be then surely top four and CL has to be a minimum.

I see Benteke has a £32.5m release clause and Liverpool are very keen. I think he could be good for them, more direct, able to knock balls down for others to latch onto. However isn't that price a bit steep?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But surely a season can only be judged against the expectations at the start of the season. Taking your logic to the extreme if Liverpool had finished the season 13th, one place above Leicester you would have had a more successful season. Even though Leicester's ambition for the season was survival whcih they achieved and Liverpool's was CL football and to challenge for the title which they would've failed to achieve.

Surely a season is judged on the results gained.

Well our season would have been more successful compared to Leicester - that's quite simple isn't it.

Hence why I said we were more successful than Southampton.