Summer Transfer Thread

[Deleted member 15344]

I think it was more that if other nations teams start winning Europa and having an extra team I the cl the following year. That points difference will soon be eroded. It was all rather depressing though as it was based on this years teams performance which were lower than usual. But it's still plausible.

I I don't think you've ever spent £150m nett. Which you'd need to do. I mean, you may sell a few players this summer. But I can't see you raising much capital. So you'd have to dig into your owners. And they seem rather keen to run as a business.

Again winning Europa doesnt add that many points to the pot - certainly wouldnt erode at all - Italy increased this year due to Juve reaching CL final. The Europa points are still the one point extra per round. When you consider each team that gets to the KO round of the CL gets 4 points then an extra two per round - its still going to take a lot ot overhaul both Germany and England - would need two/three years of Italian club getting to final of CL

Again we didnt spend £150 - 200 mil to get second the other year - Spurs didnt spend that much when they broke into the CL.

 

[Hobbit]

I certainly dont think its all bad at all - certainly nowhere near as bad as we were a couple of seasons a go - a poor last month was a killer for us - without that then we would of hit 4th spot. Threw away a lot of points. Definately need improved signings in the summer and some from last year will have the benefit of a full pre season and a season in the prem under their belt.

Two season ago we were finishing 7th and 12 points behind CL , season before that 8th 17 points behind , before that 6th 10 points behind

Last season was certainly a case of overachieving for the squad we had


There will be players leaving in the summer and there will be players arriving - getting regular CL is the short term aim right now - then it will be a move forward to the title challenge but its not an overnight job - never has been - even City it took a lot of money and a number of seasons.

11pts out of 30pts in April/May, and 3 wins out of 10 games across those two months. A decent CB, but keep Skirtl - his tackles made was the best in the PL last season. Another decent CM, and get Sturridge fit and get him a good partner. Make some decent moves in the transfer market and you might keep Sterling.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

11pts out of 30pts in April/May, and 3 wins out of 10 games across those two months. A decent CB, but keep Skirtl - his tackles made was the best in the PL last season. Another decent CM, and get Sturridge fit and get him a good partner. Make some decent moves in the transfer market and you might keep Sterling.

Agree with the purchases we need - also a RB . i think Sterling is gone TBH - Hence why i think we are looking at Konoplyanka who will be a free.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Differentt players at different stages of careers

Each player assessed on his own career

Sterling - young player - learning his trade - developing - needs regular game time

Lambert - coming to the end of his career - moved to Liverpool because it was his dream and knew he wouldnt be a guarantee starter.

Playing at Southampton under Koeman.
Or Playing at Liverpool under Brenda??
I know where I think a player would progress more,and that's not me having a dig before you play that card.
Brenda as probably got 10 games to save his job.
If he spends big,the owners won't be happy if they're not within a few points of 4th.
He's a mid table manager,not sure how much say he as in the signings,but they've been mostly poor.
His tactics look bewildering at times.
Sterling/Lellana certainly can't play as strikers,that's clear even without coaching badgers.
best thing Liverpool can do is ship Brenda out & break the bank for Anceolotti . Excellent manager & Chelsea were wrong to get rid of him IMO.
But he's still no Jose

 

[Papas1982]

Again winning Europa doesnt add that many points to the pot - certainly wouldnt erode at all - Italy increased this year due to Juve reaching CL final. The Europa points are still the one point extra per round. When you consider each team that gets to the KO round of the CL gets 4 points then an extra two per round - its still going to take a lot ot overhaul both Germany and England - would need two/three years of Italian club getting to final of CL

Again we didnt spend £150 - 200 mil to get second the other year - Spurs didnt spend that much when they broke into the CL.

I didn't say you or Spurs had spent that amount, But, Just like Everton all those years back. But tell me, which one of those teams has then held their position. I was saying that's how much it will likely cost to get back their. Chelsea and City have bith had to spend big to break into the top. And continue to spend to stay there. Man Utd look to be doing the same now.

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A one off good year can't be used as an example of the norm.

Im not saying the points for winning the Europa make a difference. The winners of the Europa get a cl place. Meaning that if countries like France or Italy have a team win it. The following season they will have an extra team in the cl and therefor will score more points. Just like next season when Spain have 5 teams in the cl and most likely increase their lead at the top.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I didn't say you or Spurs had spent that amount, But, Just like Everton all those years back. But tell me, which one of those teams has then held their position. I was saying that's how much it will likely cost to get back their. Chelsea and City have bith had to spend big to break into the top. And continue to spend to stay there. Man Utd look to be doing the same now.

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A one off good year can't be used as an example of the norm.

Im not saying the points for winning the Europa make a difference. The winners of the Europa get a cl place. Meaning that if countries like France or Italy have a team win it. The following season they will have an extra team in the cl and therefor will score more points. Just like next season when Spain have 5 teams in the cl and most likely increase their lead at the top.

Again it doesnt need to take 150 mil "net" spend for us to break into the CL again - Chelsea were already in the CL

City spent £500/600mil to go from bottom half to win titles

For us to win titles then we would have to spend a lot more but £150mil-200 net in a summer which im guessing it what you are saying doesnt need to happen

France are 30 points behind and they havent had ever had a team win the Europa Lge nor progress far in recent years

Italy havent won it since 99 and again one team went to semi this year - its stretching it a bit

Would take a massive change and all four english teams to fail to make it out of the group stage and all Italy teams to make it through over a couple year period.

Its not going to happen lets be honest.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

ANyway - latest rumours

Klopp rumoured to want the Liverpool job but must scrap the Transfer Committee

Liverpool have started talks with the agent and club for Kovacic

West Ham looking to Frank De Boer

Wilshire apparently available for transfer

 

[Papas1982]

Again it doesnt need to take 150 mil "net" spend for us to break into the CL again - Chelsea were already in the CL

City spent £500/600mil to go from bottom half to win titles

For us to win titles then we would have to spend a lot more but £150mil-200 net in a summer which im guessing it what you are saying doesnt need to happen

France are 30 points behind and they havent had ever had a team win the Europa Lge nor progress far in recent years

Italy havent won it since 99 and again one team went to semi this year - its stretching it a bit

Would take a massive change and all four english teams to fail to make it out of the group stage and all Italy teams to make it through over a couple year period.

Its not going to happen lets be honest.

It likely won't happen. But I think it's more down to us performing better than worrying about others. Personally think this year was a one off for us. Still think English squads will regular get to quarters which will protect the points.

As to the money I think you need to spend. I think it would need to be at least 100m. Nett. Let's be honest. Who have you got in that squad that's gonna sell for any money? Sterling. Who will if you a bidding war kicks off may hit 40m.

Sumours of of savio in for same price. So a replacement unproven in pl keeps you even.

so you need a rb. Not that I think you'll get him, but saints have said 15m apparently.
A 20 goal striker. Rumours of 30m for benteke. A gk. better than mignolet. Begovic or unrealistic talk of Cech. Another 10m. That's 55m.

Then ask if you think that would get you cl footy. Would it overtake the top 3? IMO no chance. UTDS current squad? Maybe. But they'll add £150-200m of talent. So yes. IMO opinion. If y don't spend massively. Then hoping for the norm to be broken is optimistic at best.

 

[Papas1982]

ANyway - latest rumours

Klopp rumoured to want the Liverpool job but must scrap the Transfer Committee

Liverpool have started talks with the agent and club for Kovacic

West Ham looking to Frank De Boer

Wilshire apparently available for transfer

If arsenal offered decent money for wilshere I'd snap it up. Think he's no longer a starter would mean Ramsey could stop being moved about and stay cm. plus wilshere is injury prone and living off his Barca performance IMO.

West Ham would do well to entice him. If they're willing to spend the it could be positive. Still think letting Sam go a mistake.

re Koop. Lots of rumours re Liverpool. But personally think most big managers who would likely consider the job. Won't wanna go through hoops or be messed about. So the. Lard would need to show their hand and sack Rogers first.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Klopp to Liverpool would be a great start to them needing to rebuild. I still maintin they are 4-5 TOP players short of a side that can regularly compete for top four and aren't going to win the PL any time soon. I don't think they're good enough to get past the last 32 in Europa League either. Klopp knows what he needs and would expect to get it but it will still take 3-4 seasons. I wonder if the transfer committee issue will be the deal breaker.

As for Wilshire, I think it's good business to offer him. Not a regular, injury prone and doesn't always seem to deliver as often as he should. Get a good price and look to bring someone in, perhaps a bit more robust. Think they have enough flair players to compensate

 

[Pin-seeker]

ANyway - latest rumours

Klopp rumoured to want the Liverpool job but must scrap the Transfer Committee

Liverpool have started talks with the agent and club for Kovacic

West Ham looking to Frank De Boer

Wilshire apparently available for transfer

So basically you'll only answer my post after Stu or someone else does with a :thup:
At least be consistent Phillip:thup:

 

[Deleted member 1740]

These Benteke rumours don't fill me with confidence especially when his release clause is rumoured to be £32.5m, I don't see him playing to Rodgers "style", more of a strong target ma.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

These Benteke rumours don't fill me with confidence especially when his release clause is rumoured to be £32.5m, I don't see him playing to Rodgers "style", more of a strong target ma.

Can certainly think there is better more suited players for less out there

 

[Pin-seeker]

These Benteke rumours don't fill me with confidence especially when his release clause is rumoured to be £32.5m, I don't see him playing to Rodgers "style", more of a strong target ma.

Think one of the pundits compared his style to Carrol recently.
Looks a good player,but £32m seems a lot of money.
What is Cavarni or Benzema priced at?
He's certainly not in their league IMO.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Think one of the pundits compared his style to Carrol recently.
Looks a good player,but £32m seems a lot of money.
What is Cavarni or Benzema priced at?
He's certainly not in their league IMO.

Probably £5-7m less I think, though it depends on who else is in for them. Wages no doubt would be more.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Probably £5-7m less I think, though it depends on who else is in for them. Wages no doubt would be more.

Would expect both Cavani and Benzema to be priced at above £40 - Cavani went for 64mil Euros a couple years ago and still under 30.

 

[USER1999]

Is this the same Soton thats beaten Arsenal in two out of three games this season?

So you've been in the champions league how many years running? You've won the FA cup how many times? Premierships?

I never said you weren't a good team, but there is a massive gap between Southampton and Arsenal, in terms of quality, expectations, history, trophies, what ever.

 

[fundy]

Would expect both Cavani and Benzema to be priced at above £40 - Cavani went for 64mil Euros a couple years ago and still under 30.

Cavani and Benzema for less than a hundred quid, no need for the cheque book Wenger, just get the cash out of your wallet

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Cavani and Benzema for less than a hundred quid, no need for the cheque book Wenger, just get the cash out of your wallet

He prob wouldnt pay that

 

[fundy]

He prob wouldnt pay that

There is that lol, or when it was turned down he'd offer £101