Patrick57
Head Pro
Shh-strange man!
Stick to the rules!
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Shh-strange man!
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
you can't get rid of a rule that doesn't exist...........
Patrick57
Head Pro
I think the original comment on this advice rule was a little tongue in cheek. Although 'take your time' could be argued as giving advice. I doubt anyone would really apply the penalty.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Patrick, it's fast becoming the 2nd biggest myth in golf via these forums!
Patrick57
Head Pro
yes I agree it's a myth.
6inchcup
Journeyman Pro
we had a long debate regarding the use of "take your time" a few weeks ago and the consensus was that it was giving advice,unless you said"IF IT WAS ME i would take my time"
Foxholer
Blackballed
'Take your time' is advice (an breaches a rule).
'We've got plenty of time' is a statement of fact, bot advice. Statements of fact don't breach any rule.. Remember, you can actually tell a fellow competitor the line (except on the green). And also specify the options available if player declares ball unplayable - just not advise them to do so, nor which option to take.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
please advise how this statement will influence
1. the players choice of how to play (go for it, safe, lag, drop etc)
2. his choice of club
3. his method of play
please...
Foxholer
Blackballed
Rushed or relaxed.
It's still advice! Same as 'Put a good swing on it' is - as if anyone would try to make a bad swing! Or 'get it to the hole' on a (short) putt!
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
doesn't really meet up with the concept of 'method of play'
you are entitled to your opinion, but that doesn't make it a rule - in the same way that my opinion voiced here doesn't mean it isn't.
Foxholer
Blackballed
I'm inclined to favour John Paramor's opinion - that it's the most commonly broken rule.
Patrick57
Head Pro
I disagree, I believe one of the three in the OP are broken more often.
Another rule that is often abused is the marking and exact replacement of the ball on the putting green.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
If John Paramore says it's the most commonly broken rule then as far as I'm concerned it is - and anyway it's kind of irrelevent as to which is most broken.
And I'd defy ANYONE to replace their ball EXACTLY in the same spot that they picked it up from
Patrick57
Head Pro
Foxholer
Blackballed
From 20.3.a
... The ball must be placed on the spot from which it was lifted or moved....
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
True - but 99 times out of 100 I bet it isn't - because it's virtually impossible.
Patrick57
Head Pro
"As close to the spot as humanly possible" would perhaps be easier to accomplish
Region3
Ryder Cup Winner
Only my opinion but...
The most often time this statement is used is over a short putt.
What is really meant is "Don't risk missing it by not taking it seriously".
1. It could influence a player to take a proper stance and stroke instead of reaching over with one hand to tap it in, or take a proper stance instead of on one leg.
2. Far less likely but it could make someone think twice about blading it in with a wedge after chipping instead of getting the putter out.
3. It might persuade a player to mark the ball to check nothing is underneath before they play, or even mark and wait their turn.
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
I have never said it cannot be advice, in fact I have quoted similar examples to these and others that would constitute advice.
However, and supported by the last 4 games I played when I monitored this (a range of situations from club match, society and seniors board comp medal), the vast majority (every one in this case) were an almost automated response to the practice of holing out. The words 'I'll just finish that' would get the response 'take your time' nearly every time - regardless of the nature of the final putt.
It was as automatic as most European language responses 'Thank You' - 'You're welcome'; it has no meaning.
As such I do not see it constituting advice in such situations. A quick check with a few ROs worldwide provided a response consistent with this. JP is obviously a little busy right now but if you go back to the thread which seemingly started all this off here you will see that the original question posed related to tour offense's - and, frankly, there is no chance of any tour player making such a comment to another player in any situation; so something is 'wrong' before we even get to exactly what JP said to TXL, and in response to what.
