Stack & Tilt

I'm not saying Justone or Murph are out and out disciples and true advocates of S&T but I've had the pleasure of playing with both of them and all I ca say is both hit it reasonable distances, and more importantly are consistant with their contact throughout the bag.

I don't know enough about it to say whether both employ the full S&T or just use enough of the fundamentals for a swing that works for them but at the end of the day they both get the club back to square at impact and get it travelling forward.

We could debate the rights and wrongs of every swing nuance going from the Miller leg drive of the 80's to Nicklaus and his turned head at address. At the end of it both forum members play to decent handicaps and have the potential to get lower. I'd say that is a pretty decent inditement for letting them get on with it
 
Thats exactly what I was doing :D
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...and now???
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And now i'm very happy with how my game is going, I dont have enough time to play 2-3 times a week & practice, i'm lucky to play once a week to be honest.

However, when I played at The Shire London last week, one of the guys in my group was playing off 8, and he complimented me on my "absolutely lovely swing" and its the 1st time one of my peers has said something like that to me.....and when its one of your peers it makes all the difference!
 
Been a bit busy lately so not got a video of my swing, but will try to get one up asap. Ive realised i dont do it full out but im taking a few parts out of it (keep weight on left side, keep arms connected to body but im thinking about doing it fully). I know theres pros and cons about it but it works for me so im going to stick with it. If anyone on here struggles with their iron play i seriously recommend this swing to them :)
 
That drop in plane between the backswing and downswing has been around for years.

It ain't SnT.
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Thank god! Who want's to complicate their swing by having to drop the hands down to an inside path? Can't see me teaching Rory's swing to anyone who isn't made out of rubber! :D
 
PLUMMER: The bottom line is, if you don't thrust your hips through impact, the angle of descent is too steep and the player will struggle to hit the ball solidly.

I found this quote today, from Andy Plummer, one of the two SnT architects. This is what I was saying before, if you do the tilt bit, you better get the hip action right through impact. Simple mechanics, really. You can't borrow the other parts of SnT and leave this out.
 
PLUMMER: The bottom line is, if you don't thrust your hips through impact, the angle of descent is too steep and the player will struggle to hit the ball solidly.

I found this quote today, from Andy Plummer, one of the two SnT architects. This is what I was saying before, if you do the tilt bit, you better get the hip action right through impact. Simple mechanics, really. You can't borrow the other parts of SnT and leave this out.
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But that's true for any swing isn't it? Which part of a conventional swing can you leave out?

In stack and tilt it happens naturally... he just had to put it into words for all those who are used to hanging back on their right side and 'spinning out' and to make it clearer to understand how a swing works. Keeping the head centered is probably the hardest part of S&T as the urge is to follow the ball down the line with the upper body.... like Sean O'hair and/or Martin Kymer do... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY09j8mWZAk can't knock it though as it does work for them both.
 
PLUMMER: The bottom line is, if you don't thrust your hips through impact, the angle of descent is too steep and the player will struggle to hit the ball solidly.

I found this quote today, from Andy Plummer, one of the two SnT architects. This is what I was saying before, if you do the tilt bit, you better get the hip action right through impact. Simple mechanics, really. You can't borrow the other parts of SnT and leave this out.
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But that's true for any swing isn't it? Which part of a conventional swing can you leave out?

In stack and tilt it happens naturally... he just had to put it into words for all those who are used to hanging back on their right side and 'spinning out' and to make it clearer to understand how a swing works. Keeping the head centered is probably the hardest part of S&T as the urge is to follow the ball down the line with the upper body.... like Sean O'hair and/or Martin Kymer do... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY09j8mWZAk can't knock it though as it does work for them both.
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OK, so you admit the 'pick and choose parts of SnT'theory is out the window, then?

Anyway, it doesn't happen naturally at all. In the original Golf Digest SnT teaching piece, the reader is advised to specifically practice the movement needed to get the hips back into a decent impact position.
 
OK, so you admit the 'pick and choose parts of SnT'theory is out the window, then?
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Yes.... and No (I guess it depends whether or not you want to refer to a swing as PURE S&T or not) Most golfers don't have a swing that works at all, that's why only a small % of golfers actually make it to single figures, so they must already have things wrong/missing from their swings. If you adopt S&T but don't do it properly it still appears to be more effective than adopting a conventional swing and not doing that properly. Improved ball striking is a common theme amongst people who have tried it. There are things that you can change in S&T and still hit the ball OK (provided you make necessary adjustments) so by default you don't need all the elements as prescribed.

If you look at (for example) Martin Kymers swing it's not pure S&T but it certainly has more elements than, let's say Rory Mcilroy's, so there must be some parts that do work provided you understand the mechanics of your own swing.

Anyway, it doesn't happen naturally at all. In the original Golf Digest SnT teaching piece, the reader is advised to specifically practice the movement needed to get the hips back into a decent impact position.
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If you are addressing a 22h/cap 60yr old hacker like Smiffy then you're going to have to explain (and tell him to practice) certain parts of ANY swing - don't all golf pro's send you home with drills to work on?
 
Just for a laugh and a bit of curiosity I tried a bit of S&M last night, sorry I mean S&T!!!!

I stood on the 8th tee, a down hill par 3 into a whore of a wind and shanked 7, 4 irons in a row. I found it really difficult to stay centred then to clear the hips through at impact. I may not have been doing it correctly however.

I then caught a couple fat before I "hit" one or certainly something that resembled a golf shot of any description. The ball flight was certainly lower however it was low and fading right. That could possibly have just been due to me not fully understanding the S&T method or due to playing off of an elevated tee into the wind.

Bottom line is its not a swing thought or process that I can ever see myself using, good luck to James and Murph who advocate it. It was not a natural swing to me however having played golf now for over 22 years then it never was going to feel natural.
 
I stood on the 8th tee, a down hill par 3 into a whore of a wind and shanked 7, 4 irons in a row. .I then caught a couple fat before I "hit" one or certainly something that resembled a golf shot of any description.
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Welcome to my world.
The world of the knob jockey
 
Just for a laugh and a bit of curiosity I tried a bit of S&M last night, sorry I mean S&T!!!!

I stood on the 8th tee, a down hill par 3 into a whore of a wind and shanked 7, 4 irons in a row. I found it really difficult to stay centred then to clear the hips through at impact. I may not have been doing it correctly however.

I then caught a couple fat before I "hit" one or certainly something that resembled a golf shot of any description. The ball flight was certainly lower however it was low and fading right. That could possibly have just been due to me not fully understanding the S&T method or due to playing off of an elevated tee into the wind.

Bottom line is its not a swing thought or process that I can ever see myself using, good luck to James and Murph who advocate it. It was not a natural swing to me however having played golf now for over 22 years then it never was going to feel natural.
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Sounds excellent! Wish I was there to witness it! :D

I'm going to guess you weren't doing it properly, frankly I'm surprised you even tried! :D

I wonder what would be your response if you'd knocked all 7 shots onto the green? :p

(nb: I have been playing 16 years and changed because S&T made perfect sense to me, and yes, it did feel a bit weird, incredible in fact!).
 
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