Golfmmad
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I would say that driving at 90mph on any road, whatever the conditions, is more risky than driving on a wet or icy road at 27mph.
Speeding in a thirty limit
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I would say that driving at 90mph on any road, whatever the conditions, is more risky than driving on a wet or icy road at 27mph.
ColchesterFC
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Really? So you would be happier with me driving past the school where your kids go (if you have any) at 27mph on an icy day rather than driving at 90mph on a dry 3 lane motorway with no other cars in sight? What would happen if I hit black ice outside the school and ended up on the pavement at 25mph rather than if I'd been doing less than 20mph and had stopped short of the pavement?
The speed limit is supposed to be guidance and you should still drive according to the conditions. Admittedly you shouldn't be going 90mph on the motorway but equally just because it's legal doesn't mean you should be doing 27mph on icy roads in a built up area or near a school.
Golfmmad
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Of course not, and that's not what I meant. I'm just emphasising the point of excessive speed and the need for drivers to slow down.
One of the main reasons why I disagree with the call to increase the speed limit on motorways is because people do not leave a safe enough distance from the car in front. As well as driving without dipped headlights in poor visibility.
I dread to think of the consequences!
stevie_r
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But that isn't a speed issue, it's poor driving. I previously stated on this thread that I will generally do 80 - 85 on the motorway dependent on conditions, I don't do that speed driving up someone's chuff.
ColchesterFC
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Which is why we need to get away from the fascination with speed cameras in this country and get more police patrol cars out on the roads to stop those people. I'm sure we've all seen drivers breaking as they approach a camera and then accelerating again after it. The only way to stop all speeding would be to have average speed cameras on every motorway or A road in the country which would make it impossible to speed without getting caught. But in my opinion it would be much better to get more police out on the roads clamping down on drivers tailgating, not using fog lights when needed, driving dangerously and other stupid driving.
Golfmmad
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Yes it certainly is poor driving and is related to speed in as much as, if the limit was increased those same people would still take the risk, but at a faster speed. And you don't have to drive up someones "Chuff" as you put it.
for it not to be too close.To be safer on all roads, some drivers need to slow down - simple as that.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
Whilst, on the whole, I agree with needing more Police out there, the numbers you would need to make an effective deterrent to speeding is vast.
williamalex1
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Motorways have the facility using cameras and gantry signs to change the speed limits according to the traffic and road conditions.
The limit could be raised 80/90 when appropriate conditions prevailed, if the law allowed it.
stevie_r
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Yes it certainly is poor driving and is related to speed in as much as, if the limit was increased those same people would still take the risk, but at a faster speed. And you don't have to drive up someones "Chuff" as you put it.
To be safer on all roads, some drivers need to slow down - simple as that.
I'm fully aware of what safe distances are without your patronising tone. The speed limit is 70, people tailgate at 50, people tailgate at 80, it has nothing to do with speed alone but rather inappropriate speed.
Golfmmad
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I had no intention of patronising you at all - sorry if you saw it that way.
If that's what you think then I have no further interest in this thread.
harpo_72
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Honestly speaking I don't think speed is the be all and end all regarding road safety. I think speed is misused and blamed because its the easy way out. I agree that in urban areas 30mph and heavily urban areas 20mph. I think also the weather really dictates speed.
I think speed cameras are just deterents and lazy policing. There are some serious driving issues that need to be sorted out and cameras don't do that, it requires proper active policing. I think the guy who is travelling under the limit with a tail of traffic behind him should be fined, simply because he is causing someone to do something silly ( harsh but fair ... ), lorries that take a mile to overtake or change lanes without respecting other motorists should be fined etc... And motorcyclists should have the speed limit actively enforced or limiters on bikes should be mandatory. Cyclists need to go on vehicle awareness courses, they should learn about their fragility and what traffic lights mean, the damage they can do to pedestrians ..... Generally cyclists need sorting out they are a disaster.
I think speed cameras are just deterents and lazy policing. There are some serious driving issues that need to be sorted out and cameras don't do that, it requires proper active policing. I think the guy who is travelling under the limit with a tail of traffic behind him should be fined, simply because he is causing someone to do something silly ( harsh but fair ... ), lorries that take a mile to overtake or change lanes without respecting other motorists should be fined etc... And motorcyclists should have the speed limit actively enforced or limiters on bikes should be mandatory. Cyclists need to go on vehicle awareness courses, they should learn about their fragility and what traffic lights mean, the damage they can do to pedestrians ..... Generally cyclists need sorting out they are a disaster.
williamalex1
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I agree , but I think we should get our tin hats on - incoming argh.
stevie_r
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Ethan
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I agree too. Mostly.
Speed is focussed on because it is measurable but is therefore given undue emphasis. The same happens to other things which are measurable such as waiting times in Emergency Departments. Much easier to measure something than make a more rounded assessment.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
a bit like trying to keep down the chance/risk that someone will have a drink during a trip - being the be all and end all regarding road safety - but that's another (but in the end not dissimilar) discussion...
Glad I never got into this one and just let LP fight the corner - I just couldn't face another HNSP so soon after the m/way boozer
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stevie_r
Tour Winner
Once more but in English please.
williamalex1
Money List Winner
What's your POSITION on bikes.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
What's your POSITION on bikes.
Currently I sit up and beg.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
OK - what I meant to say was...Speeding doesn't increase the risk of accidents in a way similar to how having a pint or two at a m/way service station doesn't increase the risk of accidents.
Because I discover as flawed the basic logic that suggests speed and drinking both increase the risk of accidents regardless of scenario. So it's OK to speed - and it's OK to encourage drivers to drink.
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