Solheim Cup

against a guy who said they play shots as bad as a weekly medal player and had swings like an octopus falling out of a tree...
so which one is it? Are they shockingly bad or significantly better than you?

Blimey, this has touched a nerve with you hasn't it!!

They are full time professionals. The top players, which all play in the US would kick my ass all day long - not with a 4up start though.

I'd be happy to play an also ran woman pro off flat. We had a LET pro at our club, an ex member. She returns to play in our pro am off the men's blocks @ only 6000 yds, she has yet to better 75.

Original post still stands, but its only my opinion of it, don't let it ruffle your feathers so much ;)
 
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Blimey, this has touched a nerve with you hasn't it!!

They are full time professionals. The top players, which all play in the US would kick my ass all day long.

I'd be happy to play an also ran woman pro off flat. We had a LET pro at our club, an ex member. She returns to play in our pro am off the men's blocks @ only 6000 yds, she has yet to better 75.

Original post still stands, but its only my opinion of it, don't let it ruffle your feathers so much ;)

hahah, I have the skin of a rhinocerous and I love a good argument but thank you for offering to take care of me!
I just find it quite funny that you were so quick to criticise but even quicker to back off.
 
Do you think the GB&I Walker cup team would beat the ladies Solhiem team?

no idea.

help clarify the following for me.

at which golf course?
off which tees?
under what type of competition?

I remember reading a story once where the coach of a set of top level golfers (like the Walker cup team for example) told his players they were going to play off the ladies tees in practice.

Before they teed off all the players thought they would smash it and set new course records. The reality was, they didn't. None of them did and they struggled to shoot the same scores as they would normally.

I wouldn't judge yardage of golf course as an indicator of difficulty, the following stats from the US open backs this up;
2013 Merion – 6996 (Justin Rose +1)
2012 Olympic Club – 7170 (Webb Simpson +1)
2011 Congressional – 7574 (Rory McIlroy -16)
2010 Pebble Beach – 7040 (G. McDowell Even)
2009 Bethpage Black – 7426 (Lucas Glover -4)
2008 Torrey Pines – 7643 (Tiger Woods -1 Play Off)
2007 Oakmont – 7230 (Angel Cabrera +5)
2006 Winged Foot – 7264 (Geoff Ogilvy +5)
 
hahah, I have the skin of a rhinocerous and I love a good argument but thank you for offering to take care of me!
I just find it quite funny that you were so quick to criticise but even quicker to back off.

You must have misread then, there is no backing off.

If you search, there's a thread about the women when solheim was last in USA. The first morning was littered with fats, shanks, duffs & thins all of which would fit in at your monthly medal. It was horrendous. Fortunately on the final day there was some very good exciting golf.

Your ref to an elite team playing off the ladies tees is not a good point, especially if familiar with playing from tees further back. Different hazards would have been in play etc. give them a couple of practice rounds and they would have chewed it up.
 
no idea.

help clarify the following for me.

at which golf course?
off which tees?
under what type of competition?

I remember reading a story once where the coach of a set of top level golfers (like the Walker cup team for example) told his players they were going to play off the ladies tees in practice.

Before they teed off all the players thought they would smash it and set new course records. The reality was, they didn't. None of them did and they struggled to shoot the same scores as they would normally.

I wouldn't judge yardage of golf course as an indicator of difficulty, the following stats from the US open backs this up;
2013 Merion – 6996 (Justin Rose +1)
2012 Olympic Club – 7170 (Webb Simpson +1)
2011 Congressional – 7574 (Rory McIlroy -16)
2010 Pebble Beach – 7040 (G. McDowell Even)
2009 Bethpage Black – 7426 (Lucas Glover -4)
2008 Torrey Pines – 7643 (Tiger Woods -1 Play Off)
2007 Oakmont – 7230 (Angel Cabrera +5)
2006 Winged Foot – 7264 (Geoff Ogilvy +5)

As the Ladies have just played there:

St. Andrews
Open tees
Ryder cup format
 
You must have misread then, there is no backing off.

If you search, there's a thread about the women when solheim was last in USA. The first morning was littered with fats, shanks, duffs & thins all of which would fit in at your monthly medal. It was horrendous. Fortunately on the final day there was some very good exciting golf.

Your ref to an elite team playing off the ladies tees is not a good point, especially if familiar with playing from tees further back. Different hazards would have been in play etc. give them a couple of practice rounds and they would have chewed it up.

Ok, re: Solheim cup.

I disagree with the final statement. Look at the scoring for all the short holes out there on championship courses. The short par 3 at Merion was a difficult scoring hole, the short par 3 at pebble beach is a difficult scoring hole.

And as per my previous post, the shorter US open courses have returned the higher scores which suggests that short length courses don't translate to easy courses...
 
It will be 10 times slower than the men.

Atmosphere and patriotism will be contrived.

They will all look like they've come from a face paint party.

Most of the swings look like the octopus/ tree reference.

There will be a lot of shots that will embarrass a monthly medal.

I'll still watch some though :-)

I don't need to read past this point as I can guess whats coming next.

Good luck to you sir :rofl:
 
Goodness........here we go again.
Robo It is unfair to compare ladies v men off the mens back tees where the men's power is a significant factor.

When I played off 3 and my daughter off 1 we generally played level off the yellow tees and were just about equal.
Off the whites I would expect to win 2 out of 3 games. Off the reds I would have no chance of winning. When she played off +1 and I played off 4 I had slim chances of winning any game.
Same game , different skill levels.

As a boy I used to caddy for Women's British Champions and Curtis Cup players, I soon learned to respect women's golf.
As an adult I have played with British Champions, Curtis Cup players and LET players.
Most players who put down women's golf have never played with a good player.
 
If you search, there's a thread about the women when solheim was last in USA. The first morning was littered with fats, shanks, duffs & thins all of which would fit in at your monthly medal. It was horrendous. Fortunately on the final day there was some very good exciting golf.
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Sounds like the men at the Ryder Cup.:whistle: Webb Simpson had the purest shank on a par three which left him a full wedge into the green, and Molinari thinned a chip nearly into the water at 17 against Tiger.:eek:

Really enjoyed the last Solheim Cup, and looking forward to this years. Might even see some golf without players spitting every shot.
 
Ok, re: Solheim cup.

I disagree with the final statement. Look at the scoring for all the short holes out there on championship courses. The short par 3 at Merion was a difficult scoring hole, the short par 3 at pebble beach is a difficult scoring hole.

And as per my previous post, the shorter US open courses have returned the higher scores which suggests that short length courses don't translate to easy courses...

There is only one freak score there from Rory, the rest are 1shot (ish) per round. Next was 8shots away.

The course was playing like a dart board too after so much rain
 
There is only one freak score there from Rory, the rest are 1shot (ish) per round. Next was 8shots away.

The course was playing like a dart board too after so much rain

you're hard to please...
The three longest courses had the lowest scores and were all under par.
All the other courses returned over par total scores.

I agree that it is not a water tight conclusion but it is a good start.
 
Goodness........here we go again.
Robo It is unfair to compare ladies v men off the mens back tees where the men's power is a significant factor.

When I played off 3 and my daughter off 1 we generally played level off the yellow tees and were just about equal.
Off the whites I would expect to win 2 out of 3 games. Off the reds I would have no chance of winning. When she played off +1 and I played off 4 I had slim chances of winning any game.
Same game , different skill levels.

As a boy I used to caddy for Women's British Champions and Curtis Cup players, I soon learned to respect women's golf.
As an adult I have played with British Champions, Curtis Cup players and LET players.
Most players who put down women's golf have never played with a good player.

It's not just length off the tee, the ladies would struggle to move the ball out of the rough on any of the US Open courses that were mentioned. I played in a pro am where there were 4 lady pros playing, it was round a course I have played twice before and only 1 of them beat me and then only by a shot. I play off 5.
 
I'll be watching when I can, but I do dislike the face painting, it just looks childish.

Also, IMO it's the sort of thing which makes the men's & women's games come across as different entities rather than the same game. The men don't feel the need to go out at the Ryder Cup wearing face paint (yet), IIRC it's currently only the WAGs who do it, so why do the Solheim Cup players feel the need, they're already wearing team clothing?
 
It's not just length off the tee, the ladies would struggle to move the ball out of the rough on any of the US Open courses that were mentioned. I played in a pro am where there were 4 lady pros playing, it was round a course I have played twice before and only 1 of them beat me and then only by a shot. I play off 5.

now that is more like it, they type of information that can genuinely swing opinion because it is based on facts.
Was anything riding on it for the ladies? Like solheim cup points or money? If the tournament didn't matter, did they really play there best rounds?

It is difficult to ever get to the bottom of it really as the data set would need to be much larger for us to really compare women vs. men.

Let's face it, no one can ever agree on who the best player ever is and we have an enormous amount of data to go on.
 
now that is more like it, they type of information that can genuinely swing opinion because it is based on facts.
Was anything riding on it for the ladies? Like solheim cup points or money? If the tournament didn't matter, did they really play there best rounds?

It is difficult to ever get to the bottom of it really as the data set would need to be much larger for us to really compare women vs. men.

Let's face it, no one can ever agree on who the best player ever is and we have an enormous amount of data to go on.

Glad to have gained your slight approval :p, surely if your a "pro" regardless of what it's for your pride should demand that you give it your best. Losing to amateurs gent or lady must be slightly embarrassing.

And Tiger is the best player ever :whistle:
 
Glad to have gained your slight approval :p, surely if your a "pro" regardless of what it's for your pride should demand that you give it your best. Losing to amateurs gent or lady must be slightly embarrassing.

And Tiger is the best player ever :whistle:

I agree with you but if that was the case then we would have to question Rory McIlroy walking out of a tournament because he wasn't playing well. There is also the tall story of Bobby Jones picking his ball up and walking off the course during his first tournament at St Andrew - although there are conflicing stories that he finished his round and carded an 84. So even the best let the game get the better of them and let their pride take a beating.

Re: Tiger ... I agree.

FYI - I once saw a tacheless Albert in Newcastle!
 
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