Foxholer
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Perhaps you should read the article you quoted! The answer to your question is (in) the 2nd paragraph!
Old Skier
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Nor do I as it was a major part of my adult life. Unfortunately your prejudices show exactly what is wrong in NI.
Kellfire
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My prejudices. Brilliant. Please, tell me why I am prejudiced.
Old Skier
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Only you will know why your prejudice
Kellfire
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Good dodge. What do you think my prejudices are, then?
Am I anti-British because I was raised off the Falls?
Old Skier
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I have no idea why your prejudice and how you have evidence that a man is guilty before any court case but hey ho your from a country we're religion defined which whisky you drank.
Some prejudices come from an instance in life some from hearsay others from political views. The scope is to big for me to guess.
Kellfire
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Yea I think we’d long established that you haven’t got a clue.
Old Skier
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On your prejudices, your right but you obviously love England or you wouldn't have crossed the water to come here.
Tashyboy
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I have changed your We'd to I, don't put me in with that quote. ðŸ‘
IanM
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No one comes out of this without muck on their boots.
The blokes who ordered mass murder in my home town are mates with the Leader of the Opposition, and off scott-free. But lets lock up Tommy Atkins.
And to be honest, I don't know how to resolve this..... too much fault and history on all sides.
The blokes who ordered mass murder in my home town are mates with the Leader of the Opposition, and off scott-free. But lets lock up Tommy Atkins.
And to be honest, I don't know how to resolve this..... too much fault and history on all sides.
jim8flog
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That implies you think the soldier is guilty if you think he deserves the same treatment as them.
Scoobiesnax
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It's quite easy to resolve; you investigate everyone - republican, loyalist & military or you investigate no one and let peace try and soften the divide.
Quite frankly the Good Friday Agreement seems to have polarized politics in NI with the majority voting for the extremes in either the DUP or Sinn Fein. Before I left N.I. in 2003, I remember the SDLP and UUP would be very much so amongst these two extremists.
Kellfire
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I don’t love England. I don’t think that’s possible. I’m also not actually from the Falls. I’m not even politically inclined the way you’ve obviously decided I must be based on your own prejudices. I guess you can’t possibly understand that someone from a Protestant background wouldn’t sing the praises of the armed forces in NI.
Scoobiesnax
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Not at all Jim - not sure my father who served 23 years in the Royal Irish Rangers would be too happy with that attitude if it were true.
I was trying to get across that I believe, if you are going after the military because you believe they have committed a crime; then you have to investigate everyone that may have committed a crime.
Kellfire
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I have family who voted TUV yet if you challenged them on it they’d shut down the conversation and refuse to discuss why they’d vote that way. Telling.
Old Skier
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I don't expect anyone to sing the praises of the armed forces. We are all volunteers just doing a job, some do it well some make mistakes. What we don't expect is someone prejudging a case without any evidence.
You were born 11 years after the Bogside massacre, and your parents were, what, mid teens when it happened. Hearsay on hearsay?
I have an Irish Catholic mother, or had, and a protestant father. I lived south of the border through that time and grew up in the middle of a constant family conflict, irrespective of the stupidity going on elsewhere, which rumbled on right from the 50's to the 90's when the last of the g'parents died. I was weaned on stories of the Croke Park massacre, the GPO siege and then the Civil War. Of Dev and Michael Collins. Add to that a Higher in Irish history.
Do I think soldier F crossed a line? I don't know. Do I think the paras did on that day? The Saville inquiry said they did, and there's a huge body of evidence already qualified in 2 inquiries that clearly supports that. However, there are also claims that the Saville inquiry also suppressed some evidence. Hell, even Martin McGuinness admitted to the Saville inquiry of supplying detonators for nail bombs used on that day. So yes, the paras were under fire. But did they overstep the mark? Some of them did.
Both sides at different times throughout the Troubles weren't squeaky clean. And one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Do I think the upcoming court case will satisfy justice? No, and that's for both sides. But if there is an intention to chase soldiers from that time I think it should also be open season on those members of the IRA, UDA/UVF that also killed indiscriminately.
Old Skier
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I’m putting together an open letter of apology to the citizens of Armagh, Keady, Newtownards and others for the wanton damage I may have caused to their back gardens, fences, gates and hedgerows during the 1970’s, while carrying out my duties as instructed by my senior officers, also apologies for any damage done to vehicles passing through the various VCP’s that I was involved in at the time. This was obviously uncalled for, but in my defence, I’m actually trying not to be shot, blown up or spat at. My next step is to hand myself into my local police station if I can find it.
SocketRocket
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I would suggest that Soldiers are under the control of their Officers and so on up the pecking order. If a Soldier carries out an unauthorised shooting then it would be the job of the military to investigate at the time and either award suitable punishment if found guilty or pass it on the the civil authorities. If it is considered that the Military have not investigated and dealt with the crime then surely the Officers are reasponsible and should be dealt with the same way.
Kellfire
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Pathetic.
