Soldier F

[Hobbit]

Every single soldier is trained the same way , to work under their laws , under the command and to obey orders. If someone disobeys orders or does something that wasn’t part of his training then how can the instructors be charged ? If a driver kills someone through dangerous driver does his driving instructor get charged - soldiers aren’t trained to ignore orders and kill innocent people

And you can never ever tell how someone will react under true stress until they actually face it and you can’t do that in training

The culpable ones are the guys that pull the trigger illegally or the officer who order the trigger to be pulled illegally - not an instructor who teaches thousands of soldiers who 99% act within the law

On the issue of an instructor, or the author of the instruction, being prosecuted, its down to the quality of the training and the training material. I'm not saying anything either way on whether or not a prosecution is valid, only that instructors and instruction authors could be culpable if the instruction is deemed to be lacking. That has been the case for a number of years, further beefed up in 2017 with new legislation.

How someone reacts under stress isn't part of competence or culpability of the instructors.

 

[Scoobiesnax]

Until they start retracting the "get out of free cards" the murderous scumbag RA terrorists got, then this man should be left alone. Political hypocrisy.

 

[Old Skier]

Until they start retracting the "get out of free cards" the murderous scumbag RA terrorists got, then this man should be left alone. Political hypocrisy.

You forgot the I but remember their were two sides of scumbags although I'm not aware of any get out of jail free cards for the scum on the other side.

 

[Kellfire]

And before the trial you’ve already made up your mind.

Not true - evidence may come to light to show that my current belief is wrong.

 

[Old Skier]

Not true - evidence may come to light to show that my current belief is wrong.

Why would you believe something before you hear the evidence.

 

[Scoobiesnax]

You forgot the I but remember their were two sides of scumbags although I'm not aware of any get out of jail free cards for the scum on the other side.

The other side were amateurs to be fair though

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The other side were amateurs to be fair though

All terrorists were scum regardless of side and both took innocent lives.

 

[Kellfire]

Why would you believe something before you hear the evidence.

Have you never formed an opinion on something before being told every last detail about that thing?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not true - evidence may come to light to show that my current belief is wrong.

But that’s not how you post, your posts show very little if any doubt.

 

[Kellfire]

But that’s not how you post, your posts show very little if any doubt.

At the moment - but that can be changed if evidence is shown to the contrary.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

At the moment - but that can be changed if evidence is shown to the contrary.

Which again you’ve displayed no tolerance or doubt of in any of your previous posts.

Therefore any replies are seen as one sided and judgemental.

 

[Old Skier]

Have you never formed an opinion on something before being told every last detail about that thing?

You used the word belief. On something as important as this I would prefer to rely on fact and hope I would. Let's hope your not on the jury.

 

[Kellfire]

Which again you’ve displayed no tolerance or doubt of in any of your previous posts.

Therefore any replies are seen as one sided and judgemental.

Right now, I have no doubt. That could be changed by evidence.

I don't get why this is difficult for you to understand. We all hold beliefs that we are totally convinced off but where we don't have all the facts.

 

[Kellfire]

You used the word belief. On something as important as this I would prefer to rely on fact and hope I would. Let's hope your not on the jury.

If I was on the jury I would make a decision based on the evidence put in front of me.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Right now, I have no doubt. That could be changed by evidence.

I don't get why this is difficult for you to understand. We all hold beliefs that we are totally convinced off but where we don't have all the facts.

You have no doubt but haven’t seen all the evidence and maybe swayed if new evidence came to light.

 

[Old Skier]

If I was on the jury I would make a decision based on the evidence put in front of me.

You have pre conceived ideas and already condemned the man on social media without having any facts which unfortunately is an influencing factor on others.

 

[Kellfire]

You have no doubt but haven’t seen all the evidence and maybe swayed if new evidence came to light.

Exactly. That's not an unusual stance to take.

 

[Kellfire]

You have pre conceived ideas and already condemned the man on social media without having any facts which unfortunately is an influencing factor on others.

I've read quite a lot about the Troubles in my 36 years on this planet and lived through the very tail end of it. I don't form these opinions on nothing!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Exactly. That's not an unusual stance to take.

You have pre conceived ideas and already condemned the man on social media without having any facts which unfortunately is an influencing factor on others.

As above, you’ve not only condemned Soldier F you’ve expressed your surprise he’s the only one charged and what state of mind the soldiers that day were in.

 

[brendy]

Given the nature of this thread, please try to discuss in an adult manner, there is no final outcome yet so noone is guilty until proven. Any more name calling, cursing or pulling the thread downwards will result in it being locked.
Play nice boys and girls.