Smoking

What next? Us men wont be able to go behind the nearest tree. I have learn't something new today I didn't know Nick Dougherty smoked, there you are now!

Do you really think because Tiger dips his wick in any candle, the rest of us men will/would do the same?

I would love to meet some of these "Do Gooders" who come up with these laws/rules.
 
I seriously think smoking helps you relax and concentrate when things get stressful............I was playing a par 3 over a lake once and was faced with a 195 yard carry to the green. I was feeling nervous, but took out my bacccy, rolled a fag, and lit up.
Took a couple of puffs and everything became a lot clearer. I could feel the calmness sweeping over me. I could see what I had to do.
I bent down, picked up my brand new Titleist ProV1 and put it back in my pocket, put an old TopFlite down and nobbed it into the lake. OK I blobbed the hole but I saved myself three quid.
 
I am not in favour of banning things in general terms either and if people want to smoke on a golf course then that is fine with me if the butts go in the bin (do they though?)

Only other observation is that playing golf gives you a chance to get some fresh air in your lungs so in my view, a bit daft to fill em full of carcinogenic smoke! Each to their own though as I say.
 
Having lost my dad to lung cancer (he was a 60 a day man) and having nearly killed myself with excess alcohol I think the medical implications are widely known and accepted even if they aren't followed.

Like many I was brought up on a plethora of tobacco advertised sports (Embassy darts and snooker, John Player and B&H cricket, even the B&H golf) and whilst both parents smoked heavily I have never smoked a single cigarette so I hardly fell for the subliminal advertising.

I see why it was banned from being shown. Looking back at old clips of darts, snooker etc its amazing the crowds could see anything. However I don't see a) why it should be banned from on course b) how it could be implemented especially at club level. I agree wholeheartedly that as long as the butt is dealt with sensibly (no-one wants to watch a course go up in summer) and that it isn't necessarily done close to me (my own preference) then get on with it.

I think most players realise its not great for the image especially in these ultra PC days but as long as the cameras don't show it (apart from Jimenez or Clarke puffing on a big fat rolled on a dusky Cuban maidens thigh of a cigar when they win) lets get on and deal with the real problems in the game like slow play and caddies linin putts up
 
What next? Only PGA approved drinks allowed on the course?

Seriously find it ridiculous that having a smoke can be banned on a course.Fully support a ban on restaurants and pubs and I say that as a smoker, but how many of acres make up a golf course?

Personally on my course litter tends to be drinks bottles not fag ends, should we ban people taking food and drink with them?
 
I think most players realise its not great for the image especially in these ultra PC days but as long as the cameras don't show it (apart from Jimenez or Clarke puffing on a big fat rolled on a dusky Cuban maidens thigh of a cigar when they win) lets get on and deal with the real problems in the game like slow play and caddies linin putts up

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Ill 2nd this...I dont see a problem myself and im a non smoker and non drinker...Each and everyone to there own.
In fairness so many people smoke these days that no matter where a child might turn someone will have lit up....My own opinion i think its up to the individual i know smokers who, if in the presence of a child or a non smoking adult wont light up.... And its not as if golf is advertising smoking in any way shape or form.....But i do think that it should be off camera as well as tigers spitting....
 
No but if they are seen littering, it should be shoved where the sun doesn't shine.

I am always stunned at the number of drinks bottles in the trees down 18. So someone has carried a bottle for 17 holes, and once it gets to it's lightest, as in empty, they can't physically carry it any further, and have to chuck it in the trees.

Makes my blood boil it does.
 
I'm a non smoker but have no problem with people lighting up on the course as long as it doesn't slow their rate of play down.

Freedom of choice is important too, if an adult is educated to be aware of the dangers but still chooses to smoke it's up to them.

I detest the hypocrisy of governments who wage anti-smoking campaigns through the NHS on one hand yet are happy to generate millions for the treasury through taxation of tobacco on the other. Shouldn't be surprised I suppose. :mad:
 
It certainly looks tacky to see a pro puffing away, esp a hero like Sam Torrance, but banning it in the open air seems OTT.

But what a product! Shortens life, empties pockets, fills tax coffers and the victims fight tooth and nail for the right to keep going. Incredible .... or sad? :D
 
Ill 2nd this...I dont see a problem myself and im a non smoker and non drinker...Each and everyone to there own....

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BH - I thought I was the only one! :D
 
I smoke on the course and see no problem as long as consideration is shown to your playing partners, which I ope I show. I stand so as the smoke does not blow towards others or even stand away from the group if necessary. I would hate to lose my right to smoke on the course as I enjoy a ciggie when playing but I also respect the right for others not to have my smoke in their face for 4 hours.
 
I seriously think smoking helps you relax and concentrate when things get stressful............I was playing a par 3 over a lake once and was faced with a 195 yard carry to the green. I was feeling nervous, but took out my bacccy, rolled a fag, and lit up.
Took a couple of puffs and everything became a lot clearer. I could feel the calmness sweeping over me. I could see what I had to do.
I bent down, picked up my brand new Titleist ProV1 and put it back in my pocket, put an old TopFlite down and nobbed it into the lake. OK I blobbed the hole but I saved myself three quid.
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I like your style! A Pro V1 in the pocket is certainly worth more than one in the lake!
 
Smoking, unlike drinking, damages health no matter how small the dose. It also has the potential to damage the health of someone who just happens to be standing near by through second hand smoke etc. Comparing it to drinking is a red herring. If I have a few beers standing next to you, it won't damage your health or make you smell like an ashtray. Any medical professional will tell you it's the worst thing you can do to damage your health, personally I'd bad it completely, it's pointless.
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Alcohol is the second most common cause of cancer. And having a 'few beers' is over the stated dose that people should be drinking. Also it changes you behaviour and reaction time (even after one or two) along with lots of other things. It's not as bad for you as somking agreed but it is by no means a red herring.
Unless its alcohol free beer but then I'm not sure what you would be trying to say about yourself then.

Live and let live.
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The health impacts of smoking and alcohol are very very different and the comparison is not straightforward. Smoking is bad for you at any dose, and worse the more you smoke. It is also bad for those around you.

Alcohol is GOOD for you in modest doses, probably due to a mild anticoagulant effect, but possibly also due to a small anti-oxidant effect too.

At higher does, alcohol becomes bad for you again. Alcohol has no direct toxic effects on anyone around the drinker (apart from violence and leeriness).

The comment about alcohol being the second most common cause needs further explanation, even if true, which I doubt (smoking, age, sunlight and diet are probably more common causes). That does not mean it is as carcinogenic as smoking - it is simply not. It is a function of the fact that drinking alcohol is now much more common than smoking. As an example, handling radioactive material is very carcinogenic, but not a big cause of cancer in the population because few people do it.

Smoking is also a big cause of heart disease and end stage lung failure.
 
I smoke on the course and see no problem as long as consideration is shown to your playing partners, which I hope I show. I stand so as the smoke does not blow towards others or even stand away from the group if necessary. I would hate to lose my right to smoke on the course as I enjoy a ciggie when playing but I also respect the right for others not to have my smoke in their face for 4 hours.
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Well put.

With regard to professionals, I get the impression that the TV companies go out of their way to not show anyone smoking.
Golf is one of the few sports where you stand a cat in hells chance of winning despite damaging fitness and health.
Kind of odd that?
I remember having a fag, watching snooker players having a fag (whilst not on a break) and thinking....Wembley conference centre is just one big smoking zone!
I'm glad it's gone from enclosed spaces. I'm glad that almost no-one has to endure passive smoking any more.
I'd also like to see it made illegal (with a HUGE fine) for smoking in a car with kids.
I am anti every aspect of smoking other than my right to do it.
 
I seriously think smoking helps you relax and concentrate when things get stressful............I was playing a par 3 over a lake once and was faced with a 195 yard carry to the green. I was feeling nervous, but took out my bacccy, rolled a fag, and lit up.
Took a couple of puffs and everything became a lot clearer. I could feel the calmness sweeping over me. I could see what I had to do.
I bent down, picked up my brand new Titleist ProV1 and put it back in my pocket, put an old TopFlite down and nobbed it into the lake. OK I blobbed the hole but I saved myself three quid.
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Was that Wacky baccy then smiffy?
 
The health impacts of smoking and alcohol are very very different and the comparison is not straightforward. Smoking is bad for you at any dose, and worse the more you smoke. It is also bad for those around you.

Alcohol is GOOD for you in modest doses, probably due to a mild anticoagulant effect, but possibly also due to a small anti-oxidant effect too.

At higher does, alcohol becomes bad for you again. Alcohol has no direct toxic effects on anyone around the drinker (apart from violence and leeriness).

Smoking is also a big cause of heart disease and end stage lung failure.
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Smoking wins over alcohol no doubt but the bad points about alcohol far outweigh the benefits. If you drink in moderation and infrequently then you are at little or no danger but couldn't this be said for smoking? Maybe only serious drinkers may have high chances of developing anything life threatening and possibly the same could be said for smoking.
You get lung cancer when your 50 and you smoked at some point in your life then in societies you've got no one else to blame apart from the cig company and ultimately yourself.
You get bowel cancer at 50 and drank heavily in your youth then your rather unlucky and didn't have it coming.

Drink excess amounts of alcohol which isn't much depending on some sources, a bit more or a bit less depending on others is directly linked to bowel cancer, liver cancer, stomach cancer and lung cancer. You are also twice as likely to suffer a heart attack or a stroke if you drink more than 11 pints of average beer a week.
Passive smoking isn't good for you (although smoking is supposed to help relax even non smokers. various studies say different things on this however more point to this being true).
The effects that alcohol can have on people who are not drinking just in the vicinity of someone drinking (not huge amounts) can be fatal.

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The comment about alcohol being the second most common cause needs further explanation, even if true, which I doubt (smoking, age, sunlight and diet are probably more common causes). That does not mean it is as carcinogenic as smoking - it is simply not. It is a function of the fact that drinking alcohol is now much more common than smoking. As an example, handling radioactive material is very carcinogenic, but not a big cause of cancer in the population because few people do it.
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I was under the impression smoking is the biggest cause or is it global warming? I forget.

And yes you are right more people smoke and abuse alcohol (yes even the two or three a night guy who never goes over the top) than handle radioactive material. BIG CLAP.

And well done for spotting diet in high cancer rates, people who drink a lot of alcohol in their diets have developed cancer.

Lets not forget alcohol is pretty addictive to and has probably impacted more lives in a big way then smoking over the years.

If its examples your looking at then just look at how well the kids took to people having fun and drinking. We now a huge problem with the drinking habbits of a extremly large percentage of the youth of today.
 
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