Smacking

[robinthehood]

Good see the Scots making moves to ban smacking children. There is never a place for this.
Will the rest of the UK follow suit?
Let's hope so.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Good see the Scots making moves to ban smacking children. There is never a place for this.
Will the rest of the UK follow suit?
Let's hope so.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-49908849

How long before, 'I was smacked and it never did me any harm'? Great move by the Scots, hopefully the rest of the UK will follow shortly.

 

[USER1999]

Are you still allowed to tie them up in the cellar, with a potato bag over their heads?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Are you still allowed to tie them up in the cellar, with a potato bag over their heads?

As long as you don't smack them............

 

[ManinBlack]

How long before, 'I was smacked and it never did me any harm'? Great move by the Scots, hopefully the rest of the UK will follow shortly.

I was smacked (only when I really deserved it) and it never did me any harm. I was also caned at school, again thoroughly deserved. I'm not mentally scarred, bitter or twisted. Grew up respectful of my elders & generally well behaved. I must confess that my kids were smacked, rarely & for very bad behaviour which wasn't repeated. I don't think they are mentally scarred and have been law abiding well behaved citizens.

I think the current trend of bad behaviour of a minority of young people is more attributable to the breakdown of marriages & the insecurity it brings to children than the lack of corporal punishment but its really impossible to tell which influences are to blame or eve if things really have got worse.

There are those who believe that, when all else fails, corporal punishment is the last resort. Glad I'm not now in a position where I have to decide.

 

[need_my_wedge]

I was smacked (only when I really deserved it) and it never did me any harm. I was also caned at school, again thoroughly deserved. I'm not mentally scarred, bitter or twisted. Grew up respectful of my elders & generally well behaved. I must confess that my kids were smacked, rarely & for very bad behaviour which wasn't repeated. I don't think they are mentally scarred and have been law abiding well behaved citizens.

I think the current trend of bad behaviour of a minority of young people is more attributable to the breakdown of marriages & the insecurity it brings to children than the lack of corporal punishment but its really impossible to tell which influences are to blame or eve if things really have got worse.

There are those who believe that, when all else fails, corporal punishment is the last resort. Glad I'm not now in a position where I have to decide.

I was smacked (only when I really deserved it) and it never did me any harm, aside from stinging a bit a the time, but it made us wary enough that if my parents told me not to do something, I didn't do it. I was also caned at school, just the once, and not really deserved, but I'm not mentally scarred, bitter or twisted about it. Grew up respectful of my elders & generally well behaved. I also must confess that my kids were smacked, rarely & for very bad behaviour which wasn't repeated. I can count on one hand the times I smacked each of the boys, I don't think they are mentally scarred and have both been law abiding well behaved citizens.

 

[robinthehood]

I've never hit any of my 3 kids and have never felt compelled to. It's old fashioned nonsense and there is no place for it.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

I've never hit any of my 3 kids and have never felt compelled to. It's old fashioned nonsense and there is no place for it.

Why did you feel the need to step on to your soapbox?

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Tough subject and just so many answers for and against, it is hard to come down on one side of the fence.

The matter that worries me the most, is if any of you have had really difficult children how did you deal any of the really hard/tough situations you have to live with.

Sadly sometimes a hug or a 'chat' wont do anything, and doesn't solve anything and cant help but to think a smack by the parent is far better, than being cheeky to the wrong person and taking a proper kicking in or kicked out of the house or locked up in a prison cell, learning there are lines that must not be crossed in life, is part of growing up.

I suppose my next comment is does smacking help to stop any of those situations, who knows, I certainly don't.

Tough, very tough.

 

[Marshy77]

I've never hit any of my 3 kids and have never felt compelled to. It's old fashioned nonsense and there is no place for it.

That's great for you and how you feel. Not sure about old fashioned nonsense though.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

https://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/threads/smacking-children-should-you-do-it.98731/post-1888720

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I was smacked (only when I really deserved it) and it never did me any harm. I was also caned at school, again thoroughly deserved. I'm not mentally scarred, bitter or twisted. Grew up respectful of my elders & generally well behaved. I must confess that my kids were smacked, rarely & for very bad behaviour which wasn't repeated. I don't think they are mentally scarred and have been law abiding well behaved citizens.

I think the current trend of bad behaviour of a minority of young people is more attributable to the breakdown of marriages & the insecurity it brings to children than the lack of corporal punishment but its really impossible to tell which influences are to blame or eve if things really have got worse.

There are those who believe that, when all else fails, corporal punishment is the last resort. Glad I'm not now in a position where I have to decide.

I agree with this completely. I would change it slightly in that it is a breakdown in a partnership, people don't need to be married to create stability. Complicated subject.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

My other half is a secondary school teacher. Every evening I hear first hand how unruly and disrespectful modern kids are.

 

[Jensen]

How long before, 'I was smacked and it never did me any harm'? Great move by the Scots, hopefully the rest of the UK will follow shortly.

So not do disappoint LT, I'm exactly in this category, it never did me any harm or left any scars. It taught me discipline and respect, so I endorse it 👍

 

[Jensen]

My other half is a secondary school teacher. Every evening I hear first hand how unruly and disrespectful modern kids are.

They need a bloody good hiding 👍

 

[Lord Tyrion]

My other half is a secondary school teacher. Every evening I hear first hand how unruly and disrespectful modern kids are.

Way too sweeping a statement. The kids at that school may be unruly and disrespectful but that does not apply to all. My two went to a state school in my town. High achieving school, minimal discipline problems. It is a great school, a great environment, great culture within the school. No one gets hit there. The issue with unruly kids is nothing to do with them not being hit.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Way too sweeping a statement. The kids at that school may be unruly and disrespectful but that does not apply to all. My two went to a state school in my town. High achieving school, minimal discipline problems. It is a great school, a great environment, great culture within the school. No one gets hit there. The issue with unruly kids is nothing to do with them not being hit.

OK, if you say so. What's the solution then?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

OK, if you say so. What's the solution then?

There is no silver bullet but there are a few things to look at. Firstly, teacher training. A good teacher will control a class, no matter what the pupils are like. There have always been naughty kids yet somehow we can all remember teachers that would hold a class in their hand. We need that knowledge of how to do it to be spread throughout. Hard to do as for some it is not their nature to be commanding, not threatening but commanding.

You need a head teacher that enforces a good culture within the school. They need to have rules, enforce them, back the teachers. Teachers and pupils then know exactly where they stand, there are no weak lines to push against.

Pupils, as MiB pointed out a lot of problems now occur due to the breakdown of the family, a lack of positive family role models. If a school is in an area where this is prevelant then they are likely to encounter more issues. At this point the school needs a good welfare dept. They can help the kids in trouble, find out what the problems are, see what can be done for them, engage the parents (if the parents want to be engaged) If you ever watched the Educating Yorkshire programme that school was in a problem area but had a great welfare section. The ladies in there knew the home problems of the kids, tried to help them and keep them in school. Every naughty kid had a story, a reason why they did what they did. Most of them were sad stories, they needed help, hope, a reason to learn not a whack. Obviously some kids are plain horrible, get them out of the system and leave the other kids to learn.

There is more than the above, it is complicated, but it is a start.

 

[drdel]

I was never hit by my parents but I was aware the threat existed - sometimes the ultimate deterrence needs to be there. Remove the deterrence and where's the line?

 

[Liverbirdie]

There is no silver bullet but there are a few things to look at. Firstly, teacher training. A good teacher will control a class, no matter what the pupils are like. There have always been naughty kids yet somehow we can all remember teachers that would hold a class in their hand. We need that knowledge of how to do it to be spread throughout. Hard to do as for some it is not their nature to be commanding, not threatening but commanding.

You need a head teacher that enforces a good culture within the school. They need to have rules, enforce them, back the teachers. Teachers and pupils then know exactly where they stand, there are no weak lines to push against.

Pupils, as MiB pointed out a lot of problems now occur due to the breakdown of the family, a lack of positive family role models. If a school is in an area where this is prevelant then they are likely to encounter more issues. At this point the school needs a good welfare dept. They can help the kids in trouble, find out what the problems are, see what can be done for them, engage the parents (if the parents want to be engaged) If you ever watched the Educating Yorkshire programme that school was in a problem area but had a great welfare section. The ladies in there knew the home problems of the kids, tried to help them and keep them in school. Every naughty kid had a story, a reason why they did what they did. Most of them were sad stories, they needed help, hope, a reason to learn not a whack. Obviously some kids are plain horrible, get them out of the system and leave the other kids to learn.

There is more than the above, it is complicated, but it is a start.

And all in an era where more school teachers are leaving than ever before, austerity cuts are biting across the board at local council level, social workers cant keep up with their workloads, many children go to school starving.......

Where is this Nirvana, that you exist in?

There will always be badly behaved kids from all sorts of backgrounds, some change behaviour due to good teachers and more, some only when they get a smack.