Slow play again

[bobmac]

Apologies, ive been dipping in and out of this thread and must have missed that one.

I thought your solution was to send fast players out first and slow players out later ?

No
Encourage the faster players to get up and go out early if they want a 3 hour round.
The vast majority out behind them and for those who want to take 5 hours, encourage them to tee off towards the end.

No tee times lost, everyone gets a game at a speed they are comfortable with.....everyone happy.

As I've said all along, if you are fast and want/need to play later, fine but be aware you will take longer.
And if your are slow and want/need to play earlier, fine but be aware, you may have to get a move on.
For the other 140 golfers, book as normal, there's a good chance you won't be pushed or held up.

But despite the fact it's never been tried, it'll never work

 

[Imurg]

No
Encourage the faster players to get up and go out early if they want a 3 hour round.
The vast majority out behind them and for those who want to take 5 hours, encourage them to tee off towards the end.

No tee times lost, everyone gets a game at a speed they are comfortable with.....everyone happy.

As I've said all along, if you are fast and want/need to play later, fine but be aware you will take longer.
And if your are slow and want/need to play earlier, fine but be aware, you may have to get a move on.
For the other 140 golfers, book as normal, there's a good chance you won't be pushed or held up.

But despite the fact it's never been tried, it'll never work

It'll never be tried and it'll never work because you're assuming there are 3 speeds of players...Fast, Slow and the rest in the middle.
The reality is that every group will progress at a different speed
You'll still get hold ups as the 2nd group of the middle brigade are playing slightly slower than the 3rd but slightly quicker than the first etcbetc...
And it only takes a 3 minutes search for a ball or someone making a mess of a hole to cause a back up.

Keep up with the group in front and if you lose a hole let the following group through.....why are we trying to complicate things?

 

[bobmac]

It'll never be tried and it'll never work because you're assuming there are 3 speeds of players...Fast, Slow and the rest in the middle.
The reality is that every group will progress at a different speed
You'll still get hold ups as the 2nd group of the middle brigade are playing slightly slower than the 3rd but slightly quicker than the first etcbetc...
And it only takes a 3 minutes search for a ball or someone making a mess of a hole to cause a back up.

No, there are 3 types of players.
1. Half a dozen sprinters who complain loudly if their round takes over 3.30
2. Half a dozen slow players who can't take 5 hours and complain loudly if they're pushed, told and forced to play faster.
3. The other 140 golfers who don't seem too bothered if there's the occasional hold up and think 4 hours is fine.

Keep up with the group in front and if you lose a hole let the following group through.....why are we trying to complicate things?

Because it's been tried for decades and here we are, still talking about slow play.

 

[PaulMdj]

No, there are 3 types of players.
1. Half a dozen sprinters who complain loudly if their round takes over 3.30
2. Half a dozen slow players who can't take 5 hours and complain loudly if they're pushed, told and forced to play faster.
3. The other 140 golfers who don't seem too bothered if there's the occasional hold up and think 4 hours is fine.

Because it's been tried for decades and here we are, still talking about slow play.

Were do you keep getting these numbers from?
Be honest, when was the last time you played Golf on a weekend as a member of a Club?

We have people who moan about slow play, me included, but it can happen at anytime during a comp for many, many reasons.

 

[D-S]

No, there are 3 types of players.
1. Half a dozen sprinters who complain loudly if their round takes over 3.30
2. Half a dozen slow players who can't take 5 hours and complain loudly if they're pushed, told and forced to play faster.
3. The other 140 golfers who don't seem too bothered if there's the occasional hold up and think 4 hours is fine.

Because it's been tried for decades and here we are, still talking about slow play.

One thing occurs to me about this concept - if it is so obvious, workable and easy to implement, why has no club ever introduced it?

Maybe every organiser has had the same reaction to it as almost all the responders on this thread who are regular club golfers and know a lot about the issue and workability of the many solutions that have already been proposed tried.

 

[bobmac]

Were do you keep getting these numbers from?
Be honest, when was the last time you played Golf on a weekend as a member of a Club?

We have people who moan about slow play, me included, but it can happen at anytime during a comp for many, many reasons.

I don't know the numbers, that's why I asked in post no.366,

How many notoriously slow players do you have at your club?

I got one reply from Clubchamp....three.
So, being generous, I doubled it so 6 slow players and guessed around the same sprinters, so ball park figures.

I'm sorry I can't be more accurate but I believe the point is still valid.

 

[bobmac]

One thing occurs to me about this concept - if it is so obvious, workable and easy to implement, why has no club ever introduced it?

Maybe every organiser has had the same reaction to it as almost all the responders on this thread who are regular club golfers and know a lot about the issue and workability of the many solutions that have already been proposed tried.

Maybe the organisers are part of the majority of the field who are quite happy taking 4-5 hours

 

[PaulMdj]

I don't know the numbers, that's why I asked in post no.366,


I got one reply from Clubchamp....three.
So, being generous, I doubled it so 6 slow players and guessed around the same sprinters, so ball park figures.

I'm sorry I can't be more accurate but I believe the point is still valid.

We’ve gone from 3-4 fast groups off first to 2-3 groups, Clubchamp says 3, so you double it, that’s anywhere between 16 & 3 people (depending on Club formats)

No issue whatsoever asking those who think they are fast to go off first and those who think they are slow to go off last.

The problem I have is expecting these fast & slow players to change their lives to suit what could be 3-16 moaners out of a total membership of anywhere between 400-2000 members.

Slow play can occurr anytime, during any comp for a variety of reasons, if it happens, golfers should be fully aware of how their actions can help, or simply be patient that day.

 

[bobmac]

There may be only 6 players (ball park) who are slow and complain about being forced to play faster or continually call groups through but if they go out first, they affect everyone, especially the 6 sprinters (ball park) behind them.
If the 6 slow players (ball park) are encouraged to play much later, nobody will complain.

 

[PaulMdj]

There may be only 6 players (ball park) who are slow and complain about being forced to play faster or continually call groups through but if they go out first, they affect everyone, especially the 6 sprinters (ball park) behind them.
If the 6 slow players (ball park) are encouraged to play much later, nobody will complain.

Still missing the point, if it is fastest finger first when booking a tee slot and early morning suits those 6 players then all the encouraging in the world is pointless.

So, unless as previously stated, someone in authority in the Club “forces” particular people to play at particular times…it ain’t going to change.

 

[bobmac]

Still missing the point, if it is fastest finger first when booking a tee slot and early morning suits those 6 players then all the encouraging in the world is pointless.

So, unless as previously stated, someone in authority in the Club “forces” particular people to play at particular times…it ain’t going to change.

I'm not missing the point, you keep moving it.

Do you honestly think the slowest players at your club would deliberately book the first 2 tee times of a comp just to force everyone else to play at their speed 5+hours?

 

[PaulMdj]

I'm not missing the point, you keep moving it.

Do you honestly think the slowest players at your club would deliberately book the first 2 tee times of a comp just to force everyone else to play at their speed 5+hours?

They are booking the slot THEY PREFER! Which is their right along with the other members.

They may not see themselves as slow, they be a family man who can only play first thing, they may be a season ticket holder at the local Rugby/Football Club and first off suits them, shift workers etc etc.

No one is moving the goal posts, all the above has been stated by others, you seem detatched from reality.

You have also failed to answer the last time you were a member of a club trying to play on a weekend.

 

[bobmac]

You have also failed to answer the last time you were a member of a club trying to play on a weekend.

Just like you've failed to answer my questions which were actually relevant.
Good bye

 

[Mandofred]

Maybe the organisers are part of the majority of the field who are quite happy taking 4-5 hours

The majority of the field are quite happy with 4 hours. 4:15 is ok as well. Getting towards 5 hrs.....everybody is unhappy. Now if you had said the majority of the field who are happy in the 4hr range, and even up to 4:15-20 or so....that would be true. Even 4:30 is going to kill a lot of people. I can live with it if is a "little" slow, with some waiting at times.....5hrs is not a "little" slow. If you think the majority of players are happy taking 4:40 (example) for a round golf.....I don't know where these people are.....nobody I've ever known.

 

[PaulMdj]

Just like you've failed to answer my questions which were actually relevant.
Good bye

That’s it’s bob, play the victim.

It proves you are simply out of touch with online booking systems and all members being equal.

 

[SteveJay]

There may be only 6 players (ball park) who are slow and complain about being forced to play faster or continually call groups through but if they go out first, they affect everyone, especially the 6 sprinters (ball park) behind them.
If the 6 slow players (ball park) are encouraged to play much later, nobody will complain.

I think those 6 slow players might complain if they can no longer play on that day as family, work or other commitments prevents them from the luxury of playing "much later" in the day.

 

[SteveW86]

Is Bob out?

 

[bobmac]

I think those 6 slow players might complain if they can no longer play on that day as family, work or other commitments prevents them from the luxury of playing "much later" in the day.

If the slow players can't play because of family commitments, they can still play earlier, but they should realise they will be encouraged to keep up.
At no time have I said slow players must play at the back.

 

[bobmac]

Is Bob out?

No Bob is not out, I'm still answering the same questions that have been asked over and over again.

 

[Slab]

If the slow players can't play because of family commitments, they can still play earlier, but they should realise they will be encouraged to keep up.
At no time have I said slow players must play at the back.

This is my main niggle with your suggestion. These (slow) payers have have been encouraged to keep up for a hundred years (which I think you'd agree hasn't been too successful)

Why would they actually keep up under your adapted tee time format ?