BubbaP
Occasional Player of Golf
So Bryson was right then! ??
Being serious, several more ratings have now been uploaded in my area, but still not the course I play at ?
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Being serious, several more ratings have now been uploaded in my area, but still not the course I play at ?
woofers
Medal Winner
Where did you get this information from ? Do you have a link to the document please ?
Swango1980
Well-known member
I remember England Golf saying length was 90%, obstacles 10%. Bit of a difference, but same ball park.
rulefan
Tour Winner
It depends on the length and the number and ferocity of obstacles. But somewhere between 90/10 and 95/5
evemccc
Well-known member
I don’t disbelieve this 90/10 ratio, but I find it very surprising and rather simplistic if it’s the case. Anyone who has played a number of golf courses could tell you that hole length is a v poor barometer of difficulty, so such a weighting is bizarre..
Some courses have green complexes where the hole’s difficulty really starts - and getting to the green is purely the prologue. Either because it’s well bunkered, guarded by hazards, raised or has subtle / severe undulations, and because greens could be very small - demanding serious accuracy of the approach shot. Likewise with narrow, tight fairways with land movement and elevation changes (as opposed to long and wide runway-like holes..)
Some courses have green complexes where the hole’s difficulty really starts - and getting to the green is purely the prologue. Either because it’s well bunkered, guarded by hazards, raised or has subtle / severe undulations, and because greens could be very small - demanding serious accuracy of the approach shot. Likewise with narrow, tight fairways with land movement and elevation changes (as opposed to long and wide runway-like holes..)
rulefan
Tour Winner
Length has significantly more effect than you think.
A fairly average par 4 of 400 yards is reachable by a scratch player who nominally carries a drive 230 and a second shot 200. So is on the green in two.
A bogey player only carries 180 and 150 so takes three.
It's a similar story for any par 3 over 200 and a 500 yard par 5
Most players, regardless of ability, don't encounter the all penalizing obstacles on every hole.
A fairly average par 4 of 400 yards is reachable by a scratch player who nominally carries a drive 230 and a second shot 200. So is on the green in two.
A bogey player only carries 180 and 150 so takes three.
It's a similar story for any par 3 over 200 and a 500 yard par 5
Most players, regardless of ability, don't encounter the all penalizing obstacles on every hole.
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I clearly never understood slope as I just assumed we would get a high rating due to the toughness and the length of the course
But as you said slope isn't indication of toughness
Green Bay Hacker
Journeyman Pro
It was from a Wales Golf webinar for committees that I was on yesterday. I haven't got the slide but they may be available from their website. Having looked at the local courses available so far on the USGA slope ratings, the longer courses certainly have higher ratings.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
you can see that as a bogey golfer will struggle with the longer second shots to greens more so than the scratch golfer. Hazards on the way to the green and encountered around the green having a second order effect.
