Crazyface
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What happens when a junior or lady wins? Have you had a problem?
Single sex comps - Why?
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What happens when a junior or lady wins? Have you had a problem?
D
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There is no problem can see no reason why there would be - they get the trophy and the congrats
all hypothetical at mine, the ladies are the ones not interested.
But i imagine if they rated the ladies tees for men, it would be 5 shots lower for the SSS at least, maybe more.
I'm not sure many of the guys would want to play with that sort of SSS
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But it would give men/women more choice and maybe some of your visitors maybe better suited off the ladies tees.all hypothetical at mine, the ladies are the ones not interested.
But i imagine if they rated the ladies tees for men, it would be 5 shots lower for the SSS at least, maybe more.
I'm not sure many of the guys would want to play with that sort of SSS
I used to be on club committee and raised this. The look of horror from others, male and female, suggested I had suggested some awful crime. It is an old fashioned view to keep things separate but then look at who are the vocal ones on club committees. They tend to be old people who like how things are. The young women who would like to play on a Saturday because they work don't get a chance to because the old dears on the committe, retired, don't want that. The opportunity isn't there so the youngs one don't bother. Viscous circle.
Personally I'd happily have single sex comps. As a compromise why not run separate comps but people play at the same time. For example you could have a 3 ball of 2 women and 1 man playing in their own respective comps on a Saturday. The cards just get entered into different comps at the end. Far more inclusive. Having entirely separate mens and ladies sections, usually hostile to each other, is something I find quite depressing and yes, both sections are usually as bad as each other about these things. Rant over.
Personally I'd happily have single sex comps. As a compromise why not run separate comps but people play at the same time. For example you could have a 3 ball of 2 women and 1 man playing in their own respective comps on a Saturday. The cards just get entered into different comps at the end. Far more inclusive. Having entirely separate mens and ladies sections, usually hostile to each other, is something I find quite depressing and yes, both sections are usually as bad as each other about these things. Rant over.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Back in the days when I ran Club comps (and after the handicapping systems were Unified), we merged the competitions to find an 'overall winner' wherever possible/logical. I think this was 2004 (or maybe 2005).
There's a relatively simple calculation that determines how many shots should be added to/subtracted from Nett or Stableford scores to determine the overall winner!
It miffed me somewhat that, in the 1st year (only - it was subsequently changed to require the winner to play off the Championship Tees!), the 'Championship Tee' comp was won by a Lady (playing off the Reds)! No prize for guessing who would have won it otherwise!
There's a relatively simple calculation that determines how many shots should be added to/subtracted from Nett or Stableford scores to determine the overall winner!
It miffed me somewhat that, in the 1st year (only - it was subsequently changed to require the winner to play off the Championship Tees!), the 'Championship Tee' comp was won by a Lady (playing off the Reds)! No prize for guessing who would have won it otherwise!
TBH, you can play what ever tee's you like at mine and most of the visitors play the slope rating anyway so adjust that way.
I wish some of the male visitors would play off the red, might get round it less that 5 hours then
last time i played we were behind 3 fourballs of Americans who played from the white, i didn't see any of them even make the red tee;s:mmm:
BesCumber
Assistant Pro
How refreshing. This is the sort of club i would be interested in joining.
I understand its not for everyone though.
Now, where did i put them tweezers. :mmm:
Three
Tour Rookie
It wouldn't be a very popular at my club from the ladies anyway. We have had instances where ladies don't like being watched my men tee'ing off or playing shots. We even had an instance where guys were asked to go inside the club house while having a drink on the patio. This was after an inter club match while the ladies section were playing our 9 hole, which the 1st tee is close by. some of them were their husbands.
The reason .... they didn't want to be watched... I'm not sure anyone was TBH.
Anyway I'd quite happily play with some ladies
That's unbelievable.
They should have been told to get on with it and hit the flipping ball, observers or no observers.
Sent into the clubhouse? Heard it all now 😃😃😃😃
Three - There is a well known story up here about a posh Newcastle club. Male and female members were sat on the terrace on a sunny day and some of the women objected to the language being used. Being a posh club it was not extreme but mildly colourful. Apparently the complaint went to the next committee meeting where.............women were banned from the terrace :rofl:. I've heard it from enough sources to believe it. Gets a laugh every time.
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I quite fancy my chances in the ladies club championship next year 
Foxholer
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I've lost count of the number of clubs - and all have 'claimed ownership' - I've heard that at! A couple even seem the type that WOULD implement such a rule!
Foxholer - Don't spoil it 
. It's such a great story and enough people who know the club believe it. Maybe you are right, an apocryphal story I believe they are called.
. It's such a great story and enough people who know the club believe it. Maybe you are right, an apocryphal story I believe they are called.duncan mackie
Money List Winner
I thought Slab was posting about single sex fields v mixed fields but separate comps?
All responses seem to be about mixed comps.
The latter aren't technically 'fair', but so what. We have one such event in the calendar each year - it's a prestigious Trophy event and well supported.
As to mixed fields, all our competitions are played with mixed fields (except some of the ladies events!) and Juniors have been fully integrated for years. It would probably surprise most to know that there is no CONGU definition of Junior ....it's all up to the club's and their whims and fancies.
All responses seem to be about mixed comps.
The latter aren't technically 'fair', but so what. We have one such event in the calendar each year - it's a prestigious Trophy event and well supported.
As to mixed fields, all our competitions are played with mixed fields (except some of the ladies events!) and Juniors have been fully integrated for years. It would probably surprise most to know that there is no CONGU definition of Junior ....it's all up to the club's and their whims and fancies.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Foxholer - Don't spoil it
Sorry! :rofl:
It was certainly part of the Secretary's spiel at a 'prestigious Essex Golf Club' (?!
) every time that a group of us (from another forum) played! The patio and attitude was absolute perfect for it to be believable! 
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Bit of both really but yeah was really interested to hear of the rational about the downside of running separate comps with a mixed field of players (I'm working on the principle there must be a downside otherwise every club would do it)
I didn't consider comps being over subscribed as one possible reason (although doesn't that mean both men & women are missing out)
The ladies I've played with are sensible enough such that the mixed tees aren't effecting pace so I know everyone could adapt to mixed groups
I'd expect the comp committee to deal with glaring discrepancies in handicap but the system must be able to cope even if it were a mixed comp
Re rules then that might need looked at i.e the relationship of the men/women may be that they are not FC's, PP's, or opponents so I'm not sure what effect that would have when it comes to ruling for various things
We have a Wednesday supper club and we often use a format of matching the tees to the flags and so sometimes get to play off the reds at some holes. It makes a world of difference, especially on particular holes. Wouldn't want to do it more than this. Our women are in the process of getting a CSS arranged for our yellow tees to give a longer and more demanding course for their premier events
Three
Tour Rookie
Sorry! :rofl:
It was certainly part of the Secretary's spiel at a 'prestigious Essex Golf Club' (?!
Ha ha ha, which club?
duncan mackie
Money List Winner
Oversubscription is a reason to do it, rather than not do it. You will get drop outs from all sections and the bigger the overall field the easier to manage and closer to model it will work ie less waste. Covering more playing categories also makes it easier to make the blocked out period longer - who's left to complain? (Don't worry they are there...)
Competition software handles handicapping, strokes and results for mixed comps fine as long as it's programmed correctly in the first place. It's irrelevant in mixed field events. You may find that the Ladies section competition committee has different rules from the men's....this isn't unusual but needs handling ahead of time (never after the event). Settlement of ties is an area that often crops up here.
COC should cover family playing together etc already, if including juniors there should also be club rules on parents responsibilities etc as it's unfair on adult FCs (or opponents in matchplay events) to be left alone with minors (amongst other issues).
Using mixed tees shouldn't be a problem - everyone's using a tee they are used to after all!
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Is the correct answer.............well done Paul, it generally appears that not a lot of men know that.
I believe some men even use it as an excuse when a wee lassie finishes well ahead of them because they are useless off the white tees.]
