Single sex comps - Why?

[Slab]

Just thinking after comments on the Bank holiday golf thread

I play in about 30-40 comps a year and while some are mixed comps some have Mens/Womens comps running at the same time, so I've never played in a single sex field of players (even play in mixed groups who are competing in separate comps)

At club level, what's the advantage in keeping them separate?

 

[hovis]

Imo. The tee boxes make it unfair on some holes. We go back on the whites and it makes the hole a monster but the woman stay on the reds and its a driver and a flick.

I personally don't like mixed comp as i find them unfair on the men. That could be isolated to my club though as i have no experience with mixed comps at other clubs

 

[Capella]

While I am absolutely in favour of mixed competitions (all weekend comps at our club are mixed and I would not want it any other way), I still see a few advantages of a single sex field:
- it is very difficult to find a truly fair set-up as far as distances/choice of tee boxes are concerend, in a mixed comp there will always be a debate if the female players get an advantage from teeing off further forward and if the results are truly comparable
- teeing off from different tee boxes in mixed groups and the greater variety in average shot lenght does slow down the field a little bit, single sex comps (as long as you don't look at the professional game, they are slow for different reasons) tend to move a bit faster than mixed ones
- some players might feel more relaxed in a single sex group and for that reason play better

 

[JT77]

It wouldnt work at our club, we play mixed open days, but Ladies have a section and Men have a section.
On a Saturday, our comp day, we have over 200 Men out, often more, so to add more would be difficult, but more importantly I think, the Ladies comps at out place are often won with between 36-38 points, our Ladies section is quite small, those scores often would not be enough to place in any of the divisions, I know we dont really play for prizes, but I play to try and win and get cut, the majority of ladies at my club would struggle to get cut at all if they played in the Mens comps.
We have never had a problem playing as we do.

 

[louise_a]

Imo. The tee boxes make it unfair on some holes. We go back on the whites and it makes the hole a monster but the woman stay on the reds and its a driver and a flick.

I personally don't like mixed comp as i find them unfair on the men. That could be isolated to my club though as i have no experience with mixed comps at other clubs

They might be a driver and a flick for you, but I bet for most women its a lot more, any hole longer than around 330yds and I am probably hitting a wood for my 2nd shot

 

[patricks148]

It wouldn't be a very popular at my club from the ladies anyway. We have had instances where ladies don't like being watched my men tee'ing off or playing shots. We even had an instance where guys were asked to go inside the club house while having a drink on the patio. This was after an inter club match while the ladies section were playing our 9 hole, which the 1st tee is close by. some of them were their husbands.

The reason .... they didn't want to be watched... I'm not sure anyone was TBH.

Anyway I'd quite happily play with some ladies

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Coloured Tees are a red herring, so long as the (insert colour) Tees are correctly measured and the SSS is done correctly for both male and female then anyone should be able to compete with anyone else on a level playing field.

 

[MashieNiblick]

We have a few mixed comps. Ladies play from their tees on their card, which is the basis of their h/caps, with appropriate handicap allowance for difference in SSS, so relative difficulty of holes/course is fully accounted for. Not aware of any parties being unhappy with the arrangements.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We have a few mixed comps. Ladies play from their tees on their card, which is the basis of their h/caps, with appropriate handicap allowance for difference in SSS, so relative difficulty of holes/course is fully accounted for. Not aware of any parties being unhappy with the arrangements.

Has your course had the SSS done for men to play off the Ladies Tees and by calling them Ladies Tees isn't that the issue? e.g. if they were simply red tees with a Par of 70 and a SSS of 70 for Ladies and 65 for men both could use them and have an accurate score.

 

[BesCumber]

Coloured Tees are a red herring, so long as the (insert colour) Tees are correctly measured and the SSS is done correctly for both male and female then anyone should be able to compete with anyone else on a level playing field.

This was my thinking.
I also think mixed comps are a good indicator of what the GC is like.
A club that understands that "wifey" (god i hate that phrase), is'nt just at home baking cakes, and having coffee mornings, but may actually be working eek is more forward thinking than most. Imho.
I prepare to be corrected and put in my place.


" Ruddy progressive thinkers coming on here, joining golf clubs. They'll be advocating votes for women next "

 

[Deleted member 16999]

This was my thinking.
I also think mixed comps are a good indicator of what the GC is like.
A club that understands that "wifey" (god i hate that phrase), is'nt just at home baking cakes, and having coffee mornings, but may actually be working eek is more forward thinking than most. Imho.
I prepare to be corrected and put in my place.


" Ruddy progressive thinkers coming on here, joining golf clubs. They'll be advocating votes for women next "

The Club were my brother is a member of does this every friday in the summer months, qualifying comp off red tees, very popular, especially with male members who wouldn't enter comps off the Blue Tees as it was too long.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I love it when my wife can come and play with Adam/me on comps.

Really don't understand why all comps aren't mixed(a lot are at our club), really goes back to the old days.

Bit like some juniors aren't allowed in comps at some clubs or opens (luckily at our club this isn't a problem).

Your score is against the course and that has a Par etc, so what is the problem really. And handicaps against from there.

 

[BesCumber]

The Club were my brother is a member of does this every friday in the summer months, qualifying comp off red tees, very popular, especially with male members who wouldn't enter comps off the Blue Tees as it was too long.

Which is how it should be imo.
Not everyone can belt drives 200+ yrds.
At our level its about enjoying yourself and getting out the house.
Like DW says, i think all comps should be mixed today. :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This year I changed all the weekend medals and stablefords to be open to all - juniors and ladies with zero restrictions to when they tee off so now ladies who work can play qualfiying comps

 

[patricks148]

Only trouble at ours the ladies is par 75/sss 75 off the red (ladies) at 5735 yards. the mens is 700 yards longer and par 71/SSS73. Thats 4 shots more for less distance so the rating is likely to reflect that if it were done for men, i imagine.

 

[louise_a]

Only trouble at ours the ladies is par 75/sss 75 off the red (ladies) at 5735 yards. the mens is 700 yards longer and par 71/SSS73. Thats 4 shots more for less distance so the rating is likely to reflect that if it were done for men, i imagine.

if you ran a mixed medal then the ladies would get 2 extra shots on their handicap to make up for the difference in SSS, whereas if it were a mixed stableford the men would get 2 extra shots due to the difference between par and SSS.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

We have mens competitions, ladies competitions, junior competitions and seniors competitions. And we have some that are open to all.

What's the problem?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Only trouble at ours the ladies is par 75/sss 75 off the red (ladies) at 5735 yards. the mens is 700 yards longer and par 71/SSS73. Thats 4 shots more for less distance so the rating is likely to reflect that if it were done for men, i imagine.

Or you get both Tees rated for men and women.
At Trump Aberdeen they've done this and FairwayDodger (off 3) playing off Reds get no shots off the whites she gets 7 shots, rather than just assume the SSS if clubs had them done then everyone knows were they stand prior to teeing off.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We have mens competitions, ladies competitions, junior competitions and seniors competitions. And we have some that are open to all.

What's the problem?

No one has said there's a problem, just a discussion to see if some clubs coukd do more to make the game more inclusive, for some clubs it'll do nothing, others may benefit.

 

[351DRIVER]

I prefer mixed comps

There are 3 reasons i can think of for single sex comps

1. New lady members might be a bit put off playing golf with 2 random guys they never met if very new to the game
2. Comps oversubscribed, if there is simply not enough daylight to accommodate
3. Certain tees might cause additional delay if you are hitting from two different points, this will inevitably cause slower play