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Shots given changing?

Just to reinforce the difference between handicap calculations and competition results.
From Colin's explanation, the former (18) will be used for resultant handicap calculations. The latter (17) will be used for net strokeplay competition results only.
 
Just to reinforce the difference between handicap calculations and competition results.
From Colin's explanation, the former (18) will be used for resultant handicap calculations. The latter (17) will be used for net strokeplay competition results only.
So my take on this is that since the full allowance will be used in calculation of differentials for handicapping purposes, the 95% in strokeplay is effectively just a CONGU recommendation regarding the conditions of competition. Clubs have always had the ability to set whatever conditions they like regarding who wins (eg. there might be a HCP limit). So basically no change, right?
 
Just to reinforce the difference between handicap calculations and competition results.
From Colin's explanation, the former (18) will be used for resultant handicap calculations. The latter (17) will be used for net strokeplay competition results only.
What specific "handicap calculations" are you referring to? When is the 18 used?
 
What specific "handicap calculations" are you referring to? When is the 18 used?
When calculating your handicap, your 18 handicap will be used (i.e. your nett score would be based on your 18 handicap). However, for the competition result itself, 17 would be used for your score. That's what I take from it.

It's like now, when you play in a qualifying competition with, say, and upper limit of 28. A 38 handicapper, who shot a gross 98 would have a competition result of 70, but in their handicap record, it would be a nett 60.
 
When calculating your handicap, your 18 handicap will be used (i.e. your nett score would be based on your 18 handicap). However, for the competition result itself, 17 would be used for your score. That's what I take from it.

It's like now, when you play in a qualifying competition with, say, and upper limit of 28. A 38 handicapper, who shot a gross 98 would have a competition result of 70, but in their handicap record, it would be a nett 60.
How is the nett 60 used in their handicap record; I thought the handicap record was based on score differentials?
 
So my take on this is that since the full allowance will be used in calculation of differentials for handicapping purposes, the 95% in strokeplay is effectively just a CONGU recommendation regarding the conditions of competition. Clubs have always had the ability to set whatever conditions they like regarding who wins (eg. there might be a HCP limit). So basically no change, right?

It's a WHS recommendation. I don't know at the moment whether CONGU will make (or has made) the application of any or all of the WHS handicap allowances a requirement . Currently, handicap allowances are mandatory. See Appendix F of the CONGU manual.
 
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It's a WHS recommendation. I don't know at the moment whether CONGU will make (or has made) the application any or all of the WHS handicap allowances a requirement . Currently, handicap allowances are mandatory See Appnedix F of the CONGU manual.
When I went to the last WHS meeting at Woodhall Spa, it was stressed several times that CONGU would no longer exist. I'm assuming it'll just be a rebranding of CONGU with the same people in charge of handicaps, rather than a completely different organisation of people running it? Or will CONGU (Council of National Golf Unions) still exist, but just operate the WHS system rather than the current one? Or will CONGU just be the UK branch of the wider WHS global organisation?
 
Your Playing Handicap (i.e. the number of strokes you actually get for the purposes of the competition) will be a whole number. Any fraction you get after applying the percentage to the Course Handicap is rounded up or down (0.5 goes up).

eg. Take a player with a Handicap Index of 16.5, playing in a singles stroke play event on a course with a Course Rating of 69.5 and a Slope Rating of 125

His Course Handicap (the number of strokes he gets for that particular course) will be 18
Course Handicap = Handicap Index x Slope Rating ÷ 113
= 16.5 x 125 ÷ 113
= 18.3 rounded down to 18

The Handicap Allowance is then applied to the Course Handicap. For singles stroke play that gives him a Playing Handicap of 17
Playing Handicap = Course Handicap x Handicap Allowance
= 18 x .95
= 17.1 rounded down to 17
So sorry to ask but how would I receive a Handicap Index of 16.5?
2. Is there any relevance between a handicap index of 16.5 and handicap 17?
3. What is a handicap index please?
 
So sorry to ask but how would I receive a Handicap Index of 16.5?
2. Is there any relevance between a handicap index of 16.5 and handicap 17?
3. What is a handicap index please?

Your handicap index is the number used to calculate your playing handicap for the course you are playing. It will change based on you performances over your last 20 rounds.

Then, based on your handicap index, this will be converted to a playing handicap. I am told every club will have an easily displayed chart which will give you your playing handicap based on your index, so you don't have to do it yourself. So, if you had a handicap index of 16.5, you could be playing off 13 at an easy course, whereas you'd be playing off 18 at a difficult course.
 
When I went to the last WHS meeting at Woodhall Spa, it was stressed several times that CONGU would no longer exist. I'm assuming it'll just be a rebranding of CONGU with the same people in charge of handicaps, rather than a completely different organisation of people running it? Or will CONGU (Council of National Golf Unions) still exist, but just operate the WHS system rather than the current one? Or will CONGU just be the UK branch of the wider WHS global organisation?
R&A + USGA will own it. How it fans out from there initially, and after say 3 years, is going to be interesting...
CONGU is a convienent, but expensive, way for the established golf unions currently represented on CONGU to spread some load and provide a buffer to each individual golf union but at a financial cost that isn't necessary in the longer term.
 
Just to reinforce the difference between handicap calculations and competition results.
From Colin's explanation, the former (18) will be used for resultant handicap calculations. The latter (17) will be used for net strokeplay competition results only.
So does this mean that in a Stableford competition, the player needs to know that their score is calculated from receiving 17 shots, but that on SI 18, they mustn't be too keen to pick up for a blob as they have an extra shot (sort of)?
 
Then the stats for CONGU and USGA shouldn't be "combined". They may show the same trend in matches, but they arrive at that conclusion using different methodology.
I didn't say the results were exactly the same. I was trying to indicate that the USGA studies came to a similar conclusion re the lower handicapper winning more often that the higher
 
When I went to the last WHS meeting at Woodhall Spa, it was stressed several times that CONGU would no longer exist. I'm assuming it'll just be a rebranding of CONGU with the same people in charge of handicaps, rather than a completely different organisation of people running it? Or will CONGU (Council of National Golf Unions) still exist, but just operate the WHS system rather than the current one? Or will CONGU just be the UK branch of the wider WHS global organisation?
CONGU will continue with the current national union ans associations. Each national union may/will adopt certain elements.
 
The calculation of the score differential using the actual gross score rather than net or adjusted net.
How is a handicap used for determining the score differential? I thought it was gross score (adjusted as necessary for NDB) and CR, then normalized to slope of 113.
 
How is a handicap used for determining the score differential? I thought it was gross score (adjusted as necessary for NDB) and CR, then normalized to slope of 113.
You are of course correct. I was trying (very poorly) to indicate that the % adjustment had no effect on handicaps per se. The adjusted handicap is only used in competition result calculations.
 
So sorry to ask but how would I receive a Handicap Index of 16.5?
2. Is there any relevance between a handicap index of 16.5 and handicap 17?
3. What is a handicap index please?
The Handicap Index (HI) is the figure arrived at by taking the average of the best 8 scores of the last 20. Calculated to 1 dec place. It is never used in play.
You then have a Course Handicap (CH) which is related directly to Course Rating (CR) and Slope of the specific tees and course on which you will play. The formula is
CH = HI * (SR / 113) rounded to the nearest whole number.

I suggest you have a look at the text and videos here before going any further
https://www.randa.org/WorldHandicapSystem
 
How is a handicap used for determining the score differential? I thought it was gross score (adjusted as necessary for NDB) and CR, then normalized to slope of 113.

Indeed. Your handicap isn't used to determine the stroke play score differential if you record hole by hole gross scores or a total gross score other than by having a possible effect on what your net double bogey is on any given hole. The formula is
Score Differential = 113÷ Slope Rating x ( Adjusted gross score - Course Rating - Playing Conditions Calculation)

In an area where you record scores as stableford points your handicap is part of the determination (I don't know in which Authorised Associations this is done). The formula is
Score Differential = (113 ÷ Slope Rating) x (Par +Course Handicap - (points scored - 36) - Course Rating - Playing Conditions Calculation)
 
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