Sharapova

[tsped83]

Slow day at work so I've just spent a while reading this entire thread. Genuinely amusing.

Some very good points raised (Ethan) and some clear evidence that certain individuals LIVE ON THE MOON.

She got caught and is rightly busted for it. The "medical condition" crap is exactly that. Crap. Can I say crap? Oh well...

 

[Del_Boy]

So next time a Golfer gets a penalty for an incorrect drop don't forget to call him a Cheat...

Why would I need to call him a cheat?

 

[Imurg]

Why would I need to call him a cheat?

Because he's broken the rules, ergo, by your logic, he's cheating.....

 

[Lord Tyrion]

tsped83 - A round of applause for reading all 37 pages, although your boss may not agree. I posted yesterday but gave up last night when there were 15 pages. I can't believe there are now 37. Incidentally, I am in your camp. I was wavering at the beginning but the more I read yesterday, not just on here, and heard other sportsmen and doctors speak the less I felt sympathy.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Us British, we love a good witch-hunt don't we? Nothing better than this 'sport' of jumping on a bandwagon because it's fashionable to knock someone down a peg or two. Just like 'genius', the word 'cheat' gets thrown around and liberally used, when in fact, it is not required in almost all cases. Further, there always has to be a web of conspiracy behind every story. It's not good enough for most people that it could quite conceivably be a honest, but critically stupid, mistake. No, let's embellish it like some Hollywood mystery action thriller, involving the dark web, aliens and nanotechnology.

I'm no fan of tennis or Sharapova at all, but this reaction is OTT. I agree that since notification of the new banned list, her and her team have been incredibly stupid, naive or potentially manipulating. However, you can't possibly call someone a "cheat" for the previous 10 years. The substance was legal, not on the banned list, despite whatever evidence forum experts find lurking on the web. I presume that the same experts also have knowledge of other substances, like the one in question, that also have future banning potential or are currently known to be dodgy? And a list of who is currently taking them, so that we can all call them a 'future cheat'?

:thup:

Good post

 

[Del_Boy]

Because he's broken the rules, ergo, by your logic, he's cheating.....

By my logic he/she cheated and accepted the penalty

 

[Imurg]

By my logic he/she cheated and accepted the penalty

But getting it wrong isn't always cheating..

 

[Ethan]

Slow day at work so I've just spent a while reading this entire thread. Genuinely amusing.

Some very good points raised (Ethan) and some clear evidence that certain individuals LIVE ON THE MOON.

She got caught and is rightly busted for it. The "medical condition" crap is exactly that. Crap. Can I say crap? Oh well...

Wow, you read it all? I think you must have a medical condition, if not before then certainly now.

On the subject of bananas being performance enhancing, I am pretty sure I saw Usain Bolt trying to hide one away in his running gear at the start of a race.

 

[chrisd]

Wow, you read it all? I think you must have a medical condition, if not before then certainly now.

On the subject of bananas being performance enhancing, I am pretty sure I saw Usain Bolt trying to hide one away in his running gear at the start of a race.

Not one, more a bunch!

 

[Ethan]

The guy from WADA was on the tellybox yesterday and said that if it isn't on the list, athletes will use it.

I think the distinction should only be between allowed or not allowed and it must be black and white. If it is not not allowed, as it were, then you should be able to use it without criticism or accusation.

 

[Spear-Chucker]

What a surprise. The greedy, arrogant and occasionally complacent upper echelons of professional sport made a boo boo. As long as the indecent cash sums are available, these people (and more importantly, their teams) will take risks with their health and occasionally get caught.

She got away with it for years under the guise of taking something without proven safety (not sure about efficacy) that was legal and at the time undetectable by established and approved analytical methods. I imagine she took it under advice and who was she to argue? All she's known since she could walk is tennis. They made their millions, she got her titles and will now batter her eyelashes to secure a 'media career'. Next.

 

[Slab]

Does anyone think WADA staff were in the office a quarter to midnight on new years eve knocking out emails of the new banned list?

It was a PED the day before and still a PED the day after, its semantics when the list was published and the only concern in publishing is to formally recognise it as a PED in order to apply appropriate penalties for taking it

The drug had the same effect before & after new years day, if a player took the drug for the benefit of those effects then they have to live with what they did and the moral question of their earnings and victories (but if you take drugs for a sporting advantage your morals are already questionable)

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Does anyone think WADA staff were in the office a quarter to midnight on new years eve knocking out emails of the new banned list?

It was a PED the day before and still a PED the day after, its semantics when the list was published and the only concern in publishing is to formally recognise it as a PED in order to apply appropriate penalties for taking it

The drug had the same effect before & after new years day, if a player took the drug for the benefit of those effects then they have to live with what they did and the moral question of their earnings and victories (but if you take drugs for a sporting advantage your morals are already questionable)

So what about all the proteins shakes and supplements that they all take to improve their performance and look for a sporting advantage ?

Players , teams etc will always look for a sporting advantage to beat their opponents

Both naturally and unnaturally.

What's the difference with them and a drug that isn't banned ?

 

[Bunkermagnet]

but those taking the drug had 3 months to stop taking it and show themselves clean. She didn't.

 

[Slab]

So what about all the proteins shakes and supplements that they all take to improve their performance and look for a sporting advantage ?

Players , teams etc will always look for a sporting advantage to beat their opponents

Both naturally and unnaturally.

What's the difference with them and a drug that isn't banned ?

The prescription

 

[Val]

Does anyone think WADA staff were in the office a quarter to midnight on new years eve knocking out emails of the new banned list?

It was a PED the day before and still a PED the day after, its semantics when the list was published and the only concern in publishing is to formally recognise it as a PED in order to apply appropriate penalties for taking it

The drug had the same effect before & after new years day, if a player took the drug for the benefit of those effects then they have to live with what they did and the moral question of their earnings and victories (but if you take drugs for a sporting advantage your morals are already questionable)

That pretty much covers that majority of sports people in the world or have you missed words out there before the word drugs?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The prescription

You don't need a prescription to get many supplements

 

[Beezerk]

but those taking the drug had 3 months to stop taking it and show themselves clean. She didn't.

It was longer wasn't it? iirc from the radio yesterday players were told about the drug being investigated/banned early last year. It only initially came to light after it was found a boat load of Russian athletes were disclosing it as an extra supllement they were taking for, yes you've guessed it, heart complaints and diabetes.

 

[Ethan]

Does anyone think WADA staff were in the office a quarter to midnight on new years eve knocking out emails of the new banned list?

It was a PED the day before and still a PED the day after, its semantics when the list was published and the only concern in publishing is to formally recognise it as a PED in order to apply appropriate penalties for taking it

The drug had the same effect before & after new years day, if a player took the drug for the benefit of those effects then they have to live with what they did and the moral question of their earnings and victories (but if you take drugs for a sporting advantage your morals are already questionable)

A lot of these drugs are on a spectrum. At one end, some are only performance enhancing, at the other not at all. The regulatory bodies have to draw a line somewhere and it has to be binary; legal/not legal. There are almost certainly some drugs which are legal which have some PE effect, and others which are not legal which are not notably different. I have no problem with regulatory authorities declaring which are legal and which aren't and athletes filling their boots with anything not illegal.

So in the legal sense, it was not a PED one day, but a PED the next, since PED is defined as a substance which is on the list of those banned for use.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Right now the drug is not banned by the PGA

So would a golfer be a cheat if they took it