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Bunkermagnet said:
Golfers are subject to WADA just like any other sport. Pretty stupid question really:angry:
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Why is it stupid - it's a very valid question

The drug is not banned by the PGA - so a golfer could take it and face no sanctions at all by the PGA

So if a golfer takes it are they a cheat ?
 
Slab said:
The prescription
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Not just the prescription. Protein shakes are purely a convenient way to get protein. Why eat two chicken breasts when you can drink the equivalent in 5 seconds? The benefit performance wise with shakes and vitamins is identical to that of food. its purely a convenience.
 
Has golf not had to tighten up following entrance to the Olympics? I would assume, perhaps wrongly, that everyone under the Olympic banner would be under the same drugs rules and testing regime. The more I think about that the more I think I am wrong but it would have been a reasonable assumption and expectation.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Has golf not had to tighten up following entrance to the Olympics? I would assume, perhaps wrongly, that everyone under the Olympic banner would be under the same drugs rules and testing regime. The more I think about that the more I think I am wrong but it would have been a reasonable assumption and expectation.
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It has been told to according to various articles and the European Tour has since began using WADA's guidelines but I've not found anything to suggest the PGA tour has as yet.
 
Piece said:
Us British, we love a good witch-hunt don't we? Nothing better than this 'sport' of jumping on a bandwagon because it's fashionable to knock someone down a peg or two. Just like 'genius', the word 'cheat' gets thrown around and liberally used, when in fact, it is not required in almost all cases. Further, there always has to be a web of conspiracy behind every story. It's not good enough for most people that it could quite conceivably be a honest, but critically stupid, mistake. No, let's embellish it like some Hollywood mystery action thriller, involving the dark web, aliens and nanotechnology.

I'm no fan of tennis or Sharapova at all, but this reaction is OTT. I agree that since notification of the new banned list, her and her team have been incredibly stupid, naive or potentially manipulating. However, you can't possibly call someone a "cheat" for the previous 10 years. The substance was legal, not on the banned list, despite whatever evidence forum experts find lurking on the web. I presume that the same experts also have knowledge of other substances, like the one in question, that also have future banning potential or are currently known to be dodgy? And a list of who is currently taking them, so that we can all call them a 'future cheat'?
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Having read the dictionary definition then I would say that if the facts are as they appear to be, she is a cheat and has been for some time.

Liverpoolphil said:
So what about all the proteins shakes and supplements that they all take to improve their performance and look for a sporting advantage ?

Players , teams etc will always look for a sporting advantage to beat their opponents

Both naturally and unnaturally.

What's the difference with them and a drug that isn't banned ?
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To even try and compare vitamin supplements with performance enhancing drugs simply beggars belief.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Having read the dictionary definition then I would say that if the facts are as they appear to be, she is a cheat and has been for some time.



To even try and compare vitamin supplements with performance enhancing drugs simply beggars belief.
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Why does it ?

It's all about trying to enhance someone's performance isn't it - trying to find an edge.

Before Jan 1st the drug wasn't a banned PED by the governing body - so it was freely available to be used by anyone - the same with supplements and protein shakes or indeed anything an athlete puts into their body to try and find an edge.

If the use of the drug was cheating before the Jan 1st then so is the use of anything to attempt to improve performance

Cheat - act dishonestly and unfairly to gain an advantage.

Until 1st Jan she didn't do that
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Has golf not had to tighten up following entrance to the Olympics? I would assume, perhaps wrongly, that everyone under the Olympic banner would be under the same drugs rules and testing regime. The more I think about that the more I think I am wrong but it would have been a reasonable assumption and expectation.
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Olympic golfers will soon be under a stricter testing regime. Or put it another way they are finally under a regime that many other sports have been under for a long time. And the PGA will not be able to sweep it under the carpet like they tried to do with Dustin Johnson, as they will have to reveal who took what if someone is caught. http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/timeline-professional-golf-and-drug-testing/
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Why does it ?

It's all about trying to enhance someone's performance isn't it - trying to find an edge.

Before Jan 1st the drug wasn't a banned PED by the governing body - so it was freely available to be used by anyone - the same with supplements and protein shakes or indeed anything an athlete puts into their body to try and find an edge.

If the use of the drug was cheating before the Jan 1st then so is the use of anything to attempt to improve performance

Cheat - act dishonestly and unfairly to gain an advantage.

Until 1st Jan she didn't do that
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A protein shake is not performance enhancing. It doesn't give any edge over a person eating the correct food. Neither do vitamins.
A pre workout powder (available in every gym and supermarket) does give performance enhancing qualities in the way of making red blood cells bigger. This product (although accessible to all) is on many banned substance list because of this.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why does it ?

It's all about trying to enhance someone's performance isn't it - trying to find an edge.

Before Jan 1st the drug wasn't a banned PED by the governing body - so it was freely available to be used by anyone - the same with supplements and protein shakes or indeed anything an athlete puts into their body to try and find an edge.

If the use of the drug was cheating before the Jan 1st then so is the use of anything to attempt to improve performance

Cheat - act dishonestly and unfairly to gain an advantage.

Until 1st Jan she didn't do that
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The human body requires proteins, vitamins, amino acids, all sorts of different stuff to work properly; it does not require performance enhancing drugs, so there is no comparison.

Your reply implies that you don't consider it unfair or dishonest to take a drug for an alleged medical condition for far longer than the manufacturers recommend, that is less efficient than others readily available, indeed a drug not approved in the part of the world where she now lives, but does have performance enhancing qualities which the more efficient ones don't. Really?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
 
Hacker Khan said:
Olympic golfers will soon be under a stricter testing regime. Or put it another way they are finally under a regime that many other sports have been under for a long time. And the PGA will not be able to sweep it under the carpet like they tried to do with Dustin Johnson, as they will have to reveal who took what if someone is caught. http://www.golfchannel.com/news/golf-central-blog/timeline-professional-golf-and-drug-testing/
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Only when competing in the Olympics

If the golfer has no intention of being the Olympics then they will be subject to the rules of PGA
 
Blue in Munich said:
The human body requires proteins, vitamins, amino acids, all sorts of different stuff to work properly; it does not require performance enhancing drugs, so there is no comparison.

Your reply implies that you don't consider it unfair or dishonest to take a drug for an alleged medical condition for far longer than the manufacturers recommend, that is less efficient than others readily available, indeed a drug not approved in the part of the world where she now lives, but does have performance enhancing qualities which the more efficient ones don't. Really?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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Was that drug freely able for anyone to use - yes

Was it banned - no

So no I don't consider her to be cheating up until 1st Jan 2016 - she was breaking no rule and taking no banned substance and competing within the sports governing bodies guidelines and rules. Not cheating
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Was that drug freely able for anyone to use - yes

Was it banned - no

So no I don't consider her to be cheating up until 1st Jan 2016 - she was breaking no rule and taking no banned substance and competing within the sports governing bodies guidelines and rules. Not cheating
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freddielong said:
Is obtaining a prescription drug you are not entitled to, class as acting dishonestly?

For me it's a big YES
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When did you discover she wasn't entitled to it ?

You have obviously got the factual evidence to back it up and I'm sure you will be informing the Tennis Authorities about your discovery
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Was that drug freely able for anyone to use - yes

Was it banned - no

So no I don't consider her to be cheating up until 1st Jan 2016 - she was breaking no rule and taking no banned substance and competing within the sports governing bodies guidelines and rules. Not cheating
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OK, Phil, you played hockey to a decent level. lets pose a hypothetical question.

You had a chance to make it to the GB team, your family had a history of a medical problem, for which there was a medicine widely used in eastern europe, but not here in the UK. It was put to you that this med, also acted as a PED and you would get an edge over your competitors, you can train harder, grow stronger. This is not a protein shake or a vitamin suppliment, this is a manufactured drug. The common process for this drug is to be on it for a short time, but I know a doctor who will sign it off for as long as you like. It is not a banned drug, so you can use as much as you like, but as i said, its not 'natural', its manufactured.

Do you want it?
 
Rooter said:
OK, Phil, you played hockey to a decent level. lets pose a hypothetical question.

You had a chance to make it to the GB team, your family had a history of a medical problem, for which there was a medicine widely used in eastern europe, but not here in the UK. It was put to you that this med, also acted as a PED and you would get an edge over your competitors, you can train harder, grow stronger. This is not a protein shake or a vitamin suppliment, this is a manufactured drug. The common process for this drug is to be on it for a short time, but I know a doctor who will sign it off for as long as you like. It is not a banned drug, so you can use as much as you like, but as i said, its not 'natural', its manufactured.

Do you want it?
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Me personally - actually thinking about it , why wouldn't anyone take it ? So if it's not banned and not going to be banned then yes would take it and i would expect everyone would take itn

Someone else doing it - their choice as long as it not breaking any rules of the governing body.
 
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