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Sexist Jokes and Comments

SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Why can we not just say Unacceptable - full stop.
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Because then you're in the dangerous territory of trying to censor what people are allowed to say. After that, it'll be what they are allowed to think. Before you know it, it'll be a bright, cold day in April and the clocks will be striking thirteen.

Besides which - who gets to determine what is unacceptable to laugh at? You? The government? Who?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think that any teller of a 'sexist joke' or maker of 'sexist comment' risks being labelled by others.

For myself, I can't see how you can make a sexist/racist/homophobic joke or comment without having an underlying acceptance that these attitudes are in some contexts OK. And for me there should be no such contexts as real people get really hurt by such attitudes taken a bit further than the joke. Why can we not just say Unacceptable - full stop. Plenty of other stuff to make jokes about.
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............. and would then probably laugh at said labellers.

Not many spring readily to mind.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
What made me think on this - was the Michael Fallon / Julia Hartley-Brewer story.

Now JH-B says that she did not bother to much about what MF did back then - but does her reaction/acceptance make his action NOT sexist/sexual? Had it not been JH-B but another female that was the subject of MF attention, and that other female was upset by MF's attention/action does that mean that his action WAS sexist/sexual - that would seem to be so - had it been so.

So can the same action by the same person be both sexist/sexual and NOT sexist/sexual depending upon who is involved. Assuming MF did not know how JH-B would react, we cannot claim 'context' can we?
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Or, if the same act is carried out by someone else, does that make it OK?
For example, if Julia HB put her hand on Fallon's knee is that OK? And if Fallon objected would it be OK and would he claim the moral high ground by threatening to punch her in the face?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
For myself, I can't see how you can make a sexist/racist/homophobic joke or comment without having an underlying acceptance that these attitudes are in some contexts OK.
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Complete nonsense. The fact that I know I'm not sexist, racist, homophobic and so on is exactly why I am totally comfortable making certain jokes in the first place.
 
In more than 50 years of telling racist & sexist jokes I have never offended anyone. I have swopped racist jokes with one of my Hindu customers who knew lots of amusing Muslim stories. I am neither sexist nor racist. Australians make jokes about thee English, is this racist? It doesn't offend me in the slightest. The English make jokes about the Irish, the French about the Belgians, men about women & vice versa.

If anyone takes offense at anything I say, which is always without malice, I'd rather not know them.
 
Kellfire said:
Complete nonsense. The fact that I know I'm not sexist, racist, homophobic and so on is exactly why I am totally comfortable making certain jokes in the first place.
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It's just my opinion. I don't tell such jokes or make such comments for no other reason than I think it's neither necessary nor appropriate.
 
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Sweep said:
Or, if the same act is carried out by someone else, does that make it OK?
For example, if Julia HB put her hand on Fallon's knee is that OK? And if Fallon objected would it be OK and would he claim the moral high ground by threatening to punch her in the face?
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Whatever we might think - we now know what Fallon has now agreed that his behaviour was inappropriate...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's just my opinion. I don;t tell such jokes or make such comments for no otehr reason than I think it's neither necessary nor appropriate
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You made your point a while ago so why keep harping on about it?
Could it possibly be because we have free speech in our country which is why things that you don't like can be said.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
You made your point a while ago so why keep harping on about it?
Could it possibly be because we have free speech in our country which is why things that you don't like can be said.
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I'm not harping on about it - I was challenged and replied. And it's not in the end actually about whether I like or dislike what is being said - it's whether it's appropriate or not for it to be said and/or done. And going back to why I raised it in the first place - clearly Fallon has agreed that his actions were inappropriate - and is there a differentiation between words and actions?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I'm not harping on about it - I was challenged and replied. And it's not in the end actually about whether I like or dislike what is being said - it's whether it's appropriate or not for it to be said and/or done. And going back to why I raised it in the first place - clearly Fallon has agreed that his actions were inappropriate - and is there a differentiation between words and actions?
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Well here's hoping he's set the lead to all the folk that stick blade's into others or feel it necessary to blow up innocents to put their hands for their inappropriate actions...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
It's just my opinion. I don't tell such jokes or make such comments for no other reason than I think it's neither necessary nor appropriate.
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No, it isn't your opinion, because my being homophobic/sexist/racist/etc isn't subjective. It's a matter of fact that I'm none of those things. So your opinion that anyone who makes a joke about any of those topics is demonstrably untrue.

So maybe you should stop spouting it?
 
IMHO; Universal jokes (i.e. non-offensive and most people will find them funny) either don't really exist or are very tame, like Christmas Cracker jokes.
It seems more prevalent today than ever that you are going to upset someone, no matter what you say. You'll either upset someone directly, or upset someone indirectly (like those that get massively upset on behalf of people they think will be upset).

If someone does tell a joke you find offensive / narrow minded etc... you can look at your options. Kick up a stink, report it, ignore it or realise that some people are narrow minded. Has it really had any negative effect on your life? If it has, then it sounds like something does need to be said. If it hasn't, just move on.

Are people getting too sensitive nowadays though? It seems like there are people out there that somehow believe everyone is going to like them, support them and praise everything they do. But then get massively offended when they find out some people just don't like them. This isn't really aimed at people getting upset over sexist / racist comments or jokes, but just in general.
 
londonlewis said:
Are people getting too sensitive nowadays though? It seems like there are people out there that somehow believe everyone is going to like them, support them and praise everything they do. But then get massively offended when they find out some people just don't like them. This isn't really aimed at people getting upset over sexist / racist comments or jokes, but just in general.
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Yes, I think they are. Generation Snowflake is a real and frankly worrying occurrence.
 
londonlewis said:
Mascapone.

I couldn't decide which pasta to buy last night from the supermarket. Then the Penne dropped.
I told my wife this joke. She'd had enough of them so she packed her bags and left. I'm feeling canneloni right now.
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Sitting in a meeting reading this, sniggered visibly. Ooops.

And DB is right, "Generation Snowflake" need a good slap round the chops!
 
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