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Sexist Jokes and Comments

It is a difficult situation for people of my age (mid 40s). Brought up in a time when such jokes and comments were the norm and stuck between an older generation who seem to act like it still is and a younger generation who are more easily offended but who were brought up in more politically correct times. It can be a bit of a balancing act between the 2 and I agree that knowing your audience is essential. I would never say anything to deliberately offend but have made the odd slip up when the part of me that was brought up in the 70s takes over.
 
Am not going to get deeply embroilled in this one, but surely these days, there are "jokes" and "comments" where any right minded person thinks "come on, that's just not funny - or acceptable - anymore?"
 
FairwayDodger said:
Very hard to respond on this thread as it’s ranged quite widely but as usual it seems to be the demographic who are rarely the butt of “offensive jokes” that seem the most vexed on the subject.

IMO context and quality of the joke is everything and separates comedy from bullying.

FWIW, if I hear a person telling a sexist joke I think that person is most likely sexist, a racist joke more often than not they’re a racist, homophobic joke.. etc etc
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I agree. I think that anyone telling any such joke risks being so labelled...so joker beware...but maybe also an indicator of underlying attitudes
 
FairwayDodger said:
I think this is so wideranging and nuanced that theres a lot of talking at cross purposes going on. So before I slope out of the discussion I just want to say that when talking about sexist jokes I’m not thinking about dumb blonde or mother in law type stuff. Instead I’m thinking about cruel, sexually demeaning, rape jokes etc.

I do like family guy BTW, not a fan of Rickie gervais just not my type of humour and not sure about Jo brand; has been a long time since I saw anything of her. I think the “stupid man” trope tends to be pretty tired and unfunny much the same as Irish jokes, dumb blonde etc but not offensive.

And on that note, I think this is a subject easier discussed in person than in a forum so I will move on!
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I pretty much agree with all of this :thup:.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I agree. I think that anyone telling any such joke risks being so labelled...so joker beware...but maybe also an indicator of underlying attitudes
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Ridiculous post, did you not see the questions FD was asked and what she answered.

Labelling someone without context says more about you than them imo.
 
What made me think on this - was the Michael Fallon / Julia Hartley-Brewer story.

Now JH-B says that she did not bother to much about what MF did back then - but does her reaction/acceptance make his action NOT sexist/sexual? Had it not been JH-B but another female that was the subject of MF attention, and that other female was upset by MF's attention/action does that mean that his action WAS sexist/sexual - that would seem to be so - had it been so.

So can the same action by the same person be both sexist/sexual and NOT sexist/sexual depending upon who is involved. Assuming MF did not know how JH-B would react, we cannot claim 'context' can we?
 
There simply isn't a level playing field for men and women in the context of 'harassment' of any type. A male version of 'Loose Women' simply wouldn't be tolerated as a regular show, because it isn't funny or thought-provoking - it is simple, undisguised men-bashing by a bunch of old trouts who deserve to live a single life. I fundamentally 'agree' about sexist jokes being tolerable, as long as they are not targeted at any individual - unlike the cast of 'Loose Women', I like to think that I'm a little bit more delicate than that. BUT, I will laugh my **** off at a good joke, whether sexist or racist, and that includes men-jokes and those aimed at white christian men. I don't care, I laugh at the joke and not the target.

It will be a very sad day when the do-gooders and moral high horse brigade get their way and impose sanctions. Hogan ought to get a life and stop crusading for others.

Perhaps at some point he was a woman, then changed his mind?
 
ColchesterFC said:
But you started your post with the words "I agree". I'm guessing that may have led a few people to think that maybe you agree.
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I think that any teller of a 'sexist joke' or maker of 'sexist comment' risks being labelled by others.

For myself, I can't see how you can make a sexist/racist/homophobic joke or comment without having an underlying acceptance that these attitudes are in some contexts OK. And for me there should be no such contexts as real people get really hurt by such attitudes taken a bit further than the joke. Why can we not just say Unacceptable - full stop. Plenty of other stuff to make jokes about.
 
snakehips said:
There simply isn't a level playing field for men and women in the context of 'harassment' of any type. A male version of 'Loose Women' simply wouldn't be tolerated as a regular show, because it isn't funny or thought-provoking - it is simple, undisguised men-bashing by a bunch of old trouts who deserve to live a single life. I fundamentally 'agree' about sexist jokes being tolerable, as long as they are not targeted at any individual - unlike the cast of 'Loose Women', I like to think that I'm a little bit more delicate than that. BUT, I will laugh my **** off at a good joke, whether sexist or racist, and that includes men-jokes and those aimed at white christian men. I don't care, I laugh at the joke and not the target.

It will be a very sad day when the do-gooders and moral high horse brigade get their way and impose sanctions. Hogan ought to get a life and stop crusading for others.

Perhaps at some point he was a woman, then changed his mind?
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I am not crusading - simply seeking views. I explained the context of my question - the JH-B/MF fuss.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think that any teller of a 'sexist joke' or maker of 'sexist comment' risks being labelled by others.

For myself, I can't see how you can make a sexist/racist/homophobic joke or comment without having an underlying acceptance that these attitudes are in some contexts OK. And for me there should be no such contexts as real people get really hurt by such attitudes taken a bit further than the joke. Why can we not just say Unacceptable - full stop. Plenty of other stuff to make jokes about.
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Let’s say I’m offended by a racist joke and Colchester is asking why I’m upset, I’m repeating the joke to him to see if he agrees with me and as I’m telling him you walk past and hear me “telling a racist joke” and you continue on your way, you’re saying you now label me as a racist because I told a racist joke.
 
pauldj42 said:
Let’s say I’m offended by a racist joke and Colchester is asking why I’m upset, I’m repeating the joke to him to see if he agrees with me and as I’m telling him you walk past and hear me “telling a racist joke” and you continue on your way, you’re saying you now label me as a racist because I told a racist joke.
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That would never happen. I'm not that sensitive. I'd just tell you to man up and then buy you a beer to cheer you up.

Either that or it would've been me that told you the offensive joke in the first place. In which case you should man up while I get the beers in. ;-)
 
ColchesterFC said:
That would never happen. I'm not that sensitive. I'd just tell you to man up and then buy you a beer to cheer you up.

Either that or it would've been me that told you the offensive joke in the first place. In which case you should man up while I get the beers in. ;-)
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No!!! You didn’t tell the original joke, you were asking me why I was upset! :rofl:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
I think that any teller of a 'sexist joke' or maker of 'sexist comment' risks being labelled by others.

For myself, I can't see how you can make a sexist/racist/homophobic joke or comment without having an underlying acceptance that these attitudes are in some contexts OK. And for me there should be no such contexts as real people get really hurt by such attitudes taken a bit further than the joke. Why can we not just say Unacceptable - full stop. Plenty of other stuff to make jokes about.
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Bib, such as?
There's not much out there that won't offend somebody in some way., and if it doesn't it's probably not going to be funny.
 
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