Pin-seeker
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So you think Ched Evans for example should get the same sentence as some one that drags a women/man down a dark alley kicking & screaming & rapes them?
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FairwayDodger
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No, as I said in another post - the sentence should take the circumstances into account.
Pin-seeker
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Have you thought for one minute that he could be innocent?
JustOne
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I'm pretty sure that as he was found guilty in court that'll suffice for most.
FairwayDodger
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No.
jp5
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Shame that more people don't take the time to review the independent documentation of the case. I think they'd be surprised if they did.
Hacker Khan
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I think you'll find that prisons totally consist of people who claim to be innocent. I am sure a small minority possibly are, but I'd prefer to use the verdict of the English legal system as my guide to innocence or not.
jp5
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You are permitted to think for yourself, you know.
Pin-seeker
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I hope you never get called up for jury service for anything like this.
The defendant wouldn't stand a chance
Pin-seeker
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I prefer to think for myself.
I wish I was as confident as you with the legal system.
MadAdey
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But do you no think that there is a difference between someone who goes out and lurks around corners waiting to snatch someone, tie them up, forcibly have sex with them and what happened in the Evans situation?I agree that it should not be judged on wether the victim fought back or not, but surely the 2 situations are totally different. If I got in my car, was not taking notice of what I was doing, mounted the kerb and accidentally killed someone I would be charged differently than if I got in my car intending to mount the kerb with the intent of killing someone.So why shouldn't rape be charged on different levels. All other forms of crime have different definitions. If they did then they might be able to increase the minimum punishment for some forms of rape.
Pin-seeker
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Can some one remove MadAdey from the post please,he's talking way too much sense.
Absolutely, but at present he isn't. Is the conviction questionable? Maybe, but it has already been considered for appeal and found wanting.
To pick up on something that was brought up earlier. Can a woman be raped and have no recollection of it. Absolutely 10000000% they can, including gang raped. Can a woman be dragged into an alley at knife point and raped but not show any signs of a struggle? Absolutely 10000000% they can.
I've twice been part of the prosecution for rape crimes. The Police, followed by the CPS and the the defending barrister make the victim jump through hoops doing back flips long before a verdict is even on the horizon. As a witness for the prosecution, you get similar treatment. Is Evan guilty? I'd be surprised if he isn't, but there is always a possibility.
Ched Evans' website describes how sober she was when she got out of the taxi, but elsewhere on the site it contradicts itself by saying how much the girl had to drink and how she was tettering on her high heels. It also describes the night porter hearing the sounds of sex coming from the room, but does the night porter know who was having sex at that time? The website is full of spin and innuendo, and doesn't do Evans any favours.
He had sex, by his own admission, with someone the Police, the CPS and the court has deemed not in a fit state to give consent.
FairwayDodger
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I hope you never get called up for jury service for anything like this.
The defendant wouldn't stand a chance
Not true actually, I'd be very keen to get to the truth. In this case, from what I've read (including his own website) I tend to think he's guilty but I know I haven't got all the facts, haven't heard the arguments. But I also know that a jury did get all that so I accept their decision. I also accept their decision to find the other guy not guilty.
Can someone remove FD from this post, she's talking way too much sense.
jp5
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If that is true, how did the other bloke manage to be found not guilty then?
Should all of this outrage be aimed at how he has got off the conviction?
User20205
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That's what happens, the severity of the crime, the existence of violence etc are taken into account when sentencing. 5 years is the minimum tariff. He got the lowest term possible
The starting point is 13 years for a more 'serious' offence.
There is some ambiguity re some rape cases including this one. Often it comes down to one persons word against another's.
There is a campaign that advocates yes meaning yes, positive consent. Is that realistic ?
Pin-seeker
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254 posts & still discussing such a sensitive subject without it getting silly.
Come on Mods surely a thumbs up isn't too much to ask
Come on Mods surely a thumbs up isn't too much to ask
Pin-seeker
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Haha touché
User20205
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She consented to go back with him. Ched Evans snuck in the room and took advantage of her and the situation, no consent was given.
