jp5
Q-School Graduate
No idea what you're talking about or how it is relevant.
Second Chances
- Thread starter bladeplayer
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No idea what you're talking about or how it is relevant.
A teacher and a police officer have a duty of care and responsibility in their jobs. A footballer quite simply doesn't. People may want them to be role models but they're under no obligation to be. So they've not abused their roles.
You may belive he's abused his afforded lifestyle, but him being around young women wouldn't change whatever job he did. But a police officer or teacher would still be around vulnerable people of they carried their careers on.
I actually share the same thoughts as yourself. And said as much earlier. If it was ronaldo or messi they'd be straight back to work. He handle the situation poorly after his release and now doesn't bring enough to the table. I've no problem withy the football clubs deciding against employing him. I just think that some people are naive if they think him not getting a chance had anythig to do with morals. It's business simple as.
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Suggest you read the OP, it's about second chances and whether he should be given one, we've established certain jobs you don't by the nature of the job,
My point is, saying he plays football has nothing to do with the offence and he should be allowed to play again is blinkered, yes the 90 minutes is free of females on the pitch, but the trappings/offers and lifestyle it brings can.
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What about the young kids just getting into football and see this great guy scoring goals, I'm positive he's not the bloke I want my son looking up to.
jp5
Q-School Graduate
I understand the debate, just not your point about "paedo's and rapists [being] the same" and professional footballers being around young females.
So you're saying that Mr Evans should never have any contact with females given what he has been convicted for?
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Bring up your son to look up to true heroes then - the nurses that are fighting Ebola, the police forces that are keeping us safe, the scientists that are advancing human knowledge.
Not some bloke that kicks a ball about for a living.
bluewolf
Money List Winner
Yep, thats my take on it..
FWIW, I would be very unhappy if my Club took him on. I would be forced to make a choice regarding whether I took my kids to the game. BUT, bearing in mind that most high profile clubs could lose several thousand fans without too much impact on finances, then I doubt very much that they would even consider that..
MadAdey
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I think this situation like others before just proves that like homicide, it should be broken down into subcategories. You have murder, then you have manslaughter that is then broken down even further depending on the circumstances
The problem with rape, it is one phrase covering a multitude of different scenarios. If like Evans you did something stupid and took advantage of a drunken girl, or dragged one off the street into an alleyway, ripped off her clothes and physically assaulted her while she kicked and screamed. You are going to charged with the same offence and be looked at by society the same.
With rape, like murder, the intent should be taken into account and wether it was a pre meditated attack or not. Evans to me never had the intention of raping her, he thought he was joining in a but if adult fun and from what I have read about it there was no signs of physical abuse showing that he forced her. Does that justify what he did, no. But to tar him with the same brush as a sexual predator that drags women off the street and forces them to have sex is wrong IMO.
The problem with rape, it is one phrase covering a multitude of different scenarios. If like Evans you did something stupid and took advantage of a drunken girl, or dragged one off the street into an alleyway, ripped off her clothes and physically assaulted her while she kicked and screamed. You are going to charged with the same offence and be looked at by society the same.
With rape, like murder, the intent should be taken into account and wether it was a pre meditated attack or not. Evans to me never had the intention of raping her, he thought he was joining in a but if adult fun and from what I have read about it there was no signs of physical abuse showing that he forced her. Does that justify what he did, no. But to tar him with the same brush as a sexual predator that drags women off the street and forces them to have sex is wrong IMO.
Do you want them looking up to Rooney, Rio or terry, Tiger, Snoop Dogg?
I'd like to think my Childrens morales with relate more to nine than someone they see play football or act or sing.....?
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Like I've stated if he wins his appeal good luck to him and he should be given the chance to get on with his career, currently he is a convicted Rapist on the sex offenders register and until his appeals are over one way or another IMO he should not be allowed to play Proffessional football
As he's a free agent I'd not be surprised if a club offered him a short term deal if a main striker got injured towards the end of the season.
Promotion to the Prem is probably worth more than any championships sides sponsor?
If free agents can be signed that late?
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But in the real world we do hope we give our children the right upbringing, but I would think no matter how good a person you are, you had sportsman as heroes as a kid.
As I'm still serving in the Army I'm fully aware of what real heroes are and what sacrifice is.
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Anyway folks, it's nice to have a good debate and respect each others opinions.
We have our own moral compass and on somethings we won't agree.
I'm out of this thread and looking forward to putting faces to names on the course this season.
We have our own moral compass and on somethings we won't agree.
I'm out of this thread and looking forward to putting faces to names on the course this season.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Well unfortunately for you the jury in what is commonly regarded as one of the best and fairest legal systems in the world disagreed with you. You are more than free to keep making excuses and mitigating circumstances about what happened due to whatever reason. But as it stands I personally would tend to believe the juries decision rather than biased innuendo and supposition and find it a bit offensive that we are virtually at the stage where excuses are being made for his behaviour (he was famous, he was targeted, she had had a drink so was not able to make a decision, it's not the nasty kind of rape etc etc).
And if any retrial/appeal reverses that decision than I am more than happy to give him a second chance.
Thanks buts the outcome has no bearing on my life so I'll not lose any sleep either way. I'm not biased at all and have stated many times I think what he did was wrong. But like others rape in my mind is a violent assault. Not something so traumatic she had no recollection of it. As well as experts saying that they were surprised but that fact. I trust our system. I simply said it didn't look clear cut. And from those facts I read in the report i woulbt have found him guilty if in the jury.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
It doesn't matter what I think about giving him a second chance. I won't ever be in a position to employ him.
However, those that are, are not doing so. It's their choice. No one has to offer him a job, so if they don't, they don't. It's a free market.
If you can't get work in your chosen field, you have to do something different. It's what the rest of us have to do.
However, those that are, are not doing so. It's their choice. No one has to offer him a job, so if they don't, they don't. It's a free market.
If you can't get work in your chosen field, you have to do something different. It's what the rest of us have to do.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Well I'd suggest you and others on this thread find out what the definition of rape is. The OED states it is.
unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus,or mouth of another person, with or without force ,by a sex organ, other body part,or foreign object,without the consent of the victim
And whilst the word force is mentioned, it also states rape can be committed without force. And the words consent and unlawful are probably more relevant. Saying it not really/proper rape unless it is not violent is both naive and insulting. IMHO.
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FairwayDodger
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I read a comment piece this week that stated that Ched Evans doesn't know what rape is. Neither, it appears, do you. It doesn't have to be a violent assault.
