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Scottish independence

chrisd said:
I'm getting as nearly peed off with him as his neighbours are! :whistle:
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Well I'm sorry if I care...

...and I think everyone needs to understand at least a bit about what is being debated.

Since devolution it's quite understandable that those of us south of the border might ignore the shenanigans going on in and around Holyrood as being irrelevant to us - but this is different. This isn't a decision that can be 'reversed' if the Scottish electorate decide in hindsight that they made the wrong decision - but that's not so bad as they will reverse it at the next opportunity - that opportunity will probably never come around. A YES decision will have a massive impact on rUK - so I'm somewhat baffled that debate about it is dismissed as 'boring'.
 
I personally don't believe that a Yes outcome is even a remote possibility, based on the fact that every opinion poll I've ever seen almost always has support for a No at above 50% and Yes below 40%, so all the what ifs and conjecture does get a bit tiresome after a while.
 
ger147 said:
I personally don't believe that a Yes outcome is even a remote possibility, based on the fact that every opinion poll I've ever seen almost always has support for a No at above 50% and Yes below 40%, so all the what ifs and conjecture does get a bit tiresome after a while.
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Fair enough - so let's wait until we see the outcome of the forthcoming European parliament elections (22nd-25th May 2014) and see if that changes the shape of the status quo.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
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I ask for the reason that @chris alludes to. Folks in England not interested or bored in the most important decision Scots have EVER had to make? A decision that will completely change the economic, cultural and political landscape of the UK for ever - and the vast majority of 'the English' don't care?

You ask a YES voter why they would vote YES and I am guessing that one reason would be that 'the English' don't care about Scotland. Indeed!
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It's not necessarily a "don't care " attitude it's more of a " we have no say in it regardless" attitude.
Quite rightly so.
What I think matters not one jot as I don't have a vote so I shouldn't be influencing one way or the other.
The outcome will affect me to an extent but what can I do about it..
 
Imurg said:
It's not necessarily a "don't care " attitude it's more of a " we have no say in it regardless" attitude.
Quite rightly so.
What I think matters not one jot as I don't have a vote so I shouldn't be influencing one way or the other.
The outcome will affect me to an extent but what can I do about it..
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I agree - though you might be interested in what, if anything, will change if Scotland remains in the UK - and in that context in the run up to the referendum what other 'powers' and 'funding changes' are promised to a devolved (if not independent) Scotland under a devo-max arrangment.
 
In what way?

A bit of pompous one sided cack as far as I was concerned.

How can the white paper be clear about most of these issues when clearly there will be a huge amount of negotiation with a rUK government should there be a Yes vote.

Perhaps you should ask the blogger to balance out his scribble by asking how a 8.4% drop of the value of sterling will affect rUK should the Eton Mess follow out their threats.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
In what way?

A bit of pompous one sided cack as far as I was concerned.

How can the white paper be clear about most of these issues when clearly there will be a huge amount of negotiation with a rUK government should there be a Yes vote.

Perhaps you should ask the blogger to balance out his scribble by asking how a 8.4% drop of the value of sterling will affect rUK should the Eton Mess follow out their threats.
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As you appear from your posts on this subject to be pretty firmly in the YES camp I fail to see why you are concerned about the consequences of Scottish independence upon the rest of the UK.
We are quite capable of governing ourselves, after all we have had plenty of experience.
 
At the moment I am an honest observer who would prefer Devo Max as the best option.
The rUK will not commit to anything other than supporting the No's.

Re rUk just trying to install a bit of balance to some of the more preposterous posts.
In my mind there is no doubt that Scotland can support itself. Even the Scottish Tories agree with that.

Getting rid of Trident would be a big plus for me as well.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
At the moment I am an honest observer who would prefer Devo Max as the best option.
The rUK will not commit to anything other than supporting the No's.

Re rUk just trying to install a bit of balance to some of the more preposterous posts.
In my mind there is no doubt that Scotland can support itself. Even the Scottish Tories agree with that.

Getting rid of Trident would be a big plus for me as well.
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Well I can understand Devo Max being the preferred option, nearly all the benefits with none of the costs. Not exactly the attitude of a mature nation and also the choice that could bring about the break up of the UK in any event.

The perception of many English voters would be that Scotland was gaining independence via the back door at the expense of the English taxpayers. We can debate all night long whether that perception is correct, the fact is that is how many this side of the wall see it.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
At the moment I am an honest observer who would prefer Devo Max as the best option.
The rUK will not commit to anything other than supporting the No's.

Re rUk just trying to install a bit of balance to some of the more preposterous posts.
In my mind there is no doubt that Scotland can support itself. Even the Scottish Tories agree with that.

Getting rid of Trident would be a big plus for me as well.
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So are you allergic to Submarines or just plain pacifist, do you disagree that the nuclear umbrella has been the major contributor in stopping a World War over the last 65 years? Will you miss all the jobs and money flowing into the local economy? Or as I suspect are you jumping on the bandwagon of 'Nukes out of Scotland' only because it can be used as a kind of rallying battle cry!
 
MetalMickie said:
Well I can understand Devo Max being the preferred option, nearly all the benefits with none of the costs. Not exactly the attitude of a mature nation and also the choice that could bring about the break up of the UK in any event.

The perception of many English voters would be that Scotland was gaining independence via the back door at the expense of the English taxpayers. We can debate all night long whether that perception is correct, the fact is that is how many this side of the wall see it.
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Aha! At last - someone from south of the border who is seeing the side of a NO vote that the BT Campaign are being rather coy about. The side of the NO coin that says that English voters may have a thing or two to say about maintaining the status quo - never mind moving towards devo-max!
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Aha! At last - someone from south of the border who is seeing the side of a NO vote that the BT Campaign are being rather coy about. The side of the NO coin that says that English voters may have a thing or two to say about maintaining the status quo - never mind moving towards devo-max!
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Devo Max will be a very danger mouse way to go, it would IMHO cause a major problem for any political party that tried that one on. What next independence for Cornwall.
 
SocketRocket said:
So are you allergic to Submarines or just plain pacifist, do you disagree that the nuclear umbrella has been the major contributor in stopping a World War over the last 65 years? Will you miss all the jobs and money flowing into the local economy? Or as I suspect are you jumping on the bandwagon of 'Nukes out of Scotland' only because it can be used as a kind of rallying battle cry!
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I just do not want weapons of mass destruction near my house. Neither would the people of Plymouth I suspect.
Faslane would be an obvious choice for a main Scottish naval base so the jobs thing would balance out.
 
Old Skier said:
Devo Max will be a very danger mouse way to go, it would IMHO cause a major problem for any political party that tried that one on. What next independence for Cornwall.
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Just wait until polls start showing a strong wish for a devo-max NO - BT Campaign will start making devo-max promises and will they be able to deliver? Personally I doubt that they will be able to deliver the status quo following a vote never mind devo-max.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I just do not want weapons of mass destruction near my house. Neither would the people of Plymouth I suspect.
Faslane would be an obvious choice for a main Scottish naval base so the jobs thing would balance out.
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'Main Scottish Naval Base'!!! And what will that be, a couple of frigates? Should balance the books.

The people of Plymouth already have ships with nuclear weapons and manage to keep it in perspective. Bet you never even gave the matter a second thought before Alex started making it an issue for independence.
 
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