Scottish independence

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

This is of course true Socket, but Mr Salmond has expressed his intention to join the EU.

...and on what earthly grounds would the EU refuse to admit Scotland - even if Scotland had to apply for membership their admission is surely certain. The EU wants to be inclusive.

 

[Old Skier]

...and on what earthly grounds would the EU refuse to admit Scotland - even if Scotland had to apply for membership their admission is surely certain. The EU wants to be inclusive.

I believe to be a member, there must be a Yes vote from all members and guess who might vote no.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

The truth is the truth, what people believe is up to them.

Incidentally, UK average GDP per person is £22,336. The Scottish figure is £26,424. That's £4,058 more per person in Scotland than the UK average.

And if they believe something is evidentially wrong, they will want it righted.

As for GDP - honestly - all good words and figures - but many down here will not be listening. Many down here will say in response "well if your GDP/head is so healthy and so much better than the rest of the UK - then vote YES and go your own way"

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As the silly man was allowed to say who can and cannot vote it was always heading for a close affair. Yet still no mention of the Elephant in the Room.

which elephant is that?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I believe to be a member, there must be a Yes vote from all members and guess who might vote no.

Not a chance of England voting NO if it were to come to it. Maybe a fanciful assertion that the BT campaign will make but not something that anyone could honestly see happening. More chance of England leaving the EU before Scotland applied to join - so no problem.

 

[ger147]

And if they believe something is evidentially wrong, they will want it righted.

As for GDP - honestly - all good words and figures - but many down here will not be listening. Many down here will say in response "well if your GDP/head is so healthy and so much better than the rest of the UK - then vote YES and go your own way"

The point should be obvious - the spending per head is higher but so is the income per head. In a SENSIBLE discussion, you can't use one as a stick to beat someone with while totally ignoring the other. They are the 2 sides of the same coin.

Here are some figures if anyone is interested...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266

 

[ger147]

Not a chance of England voting NO if it were to come to it. Maybe a fanciful assertion that the BT campaign will make but not something that anyone could honestly see happening. More chance of England leaving the EU before Scotland applied to join - so no problem.

England would 100% not vote No as England don't get a vote...

 

[Old Skier]

England would 100% not vote No as England don't get a vote...

I know we don't get much say in what happens in the EU but I'm sure we get a vote on who can or cannot enter.

 

[ger147]

I know we don't get much say in what happens in the EU but I'm sure we get a vote on who can or cannot enter.

The UK does, England does not..

 

[Old Skier]

which elephant is that?

Cannot mention it as one more infraction and I'm out. Someone might be brave enough.

 

[Old Skier]

The UK does, England does not..

slip of the finger

 

[Deleted member 18588]

The truth is the truth, what people believe is up to them.

Incidentally, UK average GDP per person is £22,336. The Scottish figure is £26,424. That's £4,058 more per person in Scotland than the UK average.

Only if you include oil& gas revenues (fast running out) and the development of which was not funded by Scottish companies or the Scottish people.

Sorry but the Yes campaign would be making a great mistake if they base projections of future wealth upon the continuance of the (Shetlanders) oil revenues.

 

[ger147]

Only if you include oil& gas revenues (fast running out) and the development of which was not funded by Scottish companies or the Scottish people.

Sorry but the Yes campaign would be making a great mistake if they base projections of future wealth upon the continuance of the (Shetlanders) oil revenues.

Fast running out? Even conservative estimates (not the party) have us about halfway through the oil cash so several generations worth left at worst.

 

[Old Skier]

(Shetlanders) oil revenues.

They could go for independence.

 

[blackpuddinmonster]

...and on what earthly grounds would the EU refuse to admit Scotland - even if Scotland had to apply for membership their admission is surely certain. The EU wants to be inclusive.

I never said they would!!
On the other hand nowts certain.

 

[ger147]

They could go for independence.

Maybe London should too...

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Fast running out? Even conservative estimates (not the party) have us about halfway through the oil cash so several generations worth left at worst.

Halfway through is a generous estimate but even if correct would leave probably less than 40 years of revenues based upon increasing worldwide demand for carbon fuels.

Is that really sufficient for a nation to make long term plans? Perhaps, I don't know but it is surely a consideration.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Maybe London should too...

In their own mind, they become independent decades ago....

 

[ger147]

Halfway through is a generous estimate but even if correct would leave probably less than 40 years of revenues based upon increasing worldwide demand for carbon fuels.

Is that really sufficient for a nation to make long term plans? Perhaps, I don't know but it is surely a consideration.

I'm not advocating using it to base a decision on, just pointing out the other half of the spend is higher in Scotland per person coin. So is income.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

England would 100% not vote No as England don't get a vote...

touche OK rUK