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Scottish independence

CMAC said:
just jumping in and out this thread, which I find quite enlightening.

Wasn't there a white paper being published by Shrek and his friends with answers this month?


There is one absolute undeniable outcome that will happen if Scotland decide to be alone, my family will be moving down south and some extended family and their business will as well:cool:
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Hope you can afford the housing!
£240k for a one bedroom flat with tiny kitchen and bathroom in Tottenham.
In Scotland you would probably be able to buy something like that for £24k in an area similar to Tottenham.
 
StuartD said:
Finances are all that matters to me.
I am a fiercely proud Scot but whether it’s a Scotland as part of a union or not is all about how secure I would feel.

I have voted SNP before and have had some members at my door asking how I intended to vote. I informed them that I would be voting “No” as I work in the defence industry and our employers have given no guarantees on what may happen and that the SNP defence policy was ropey at best I was then informed by the 2 party members at my door that I needed to “look at the bigger picture”, its all about our identity as a nation, self-determination and be in control of our own destiny etc. and other romantic stuff, which is all rather nice I admit.

I told them that my “only big picture” was looking after my family, keeping a roof over their head and putting food on the table for them and I would feel much more secure doing this as part of the union.

Does that make me part of “what’s in it for me” brigade and voting for the wrong reasons?

Maybe, but I don’t believe anyone would look at it any differently.
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Which is an absolutely incontestable view - though if your children don't have a vote have you asked them what they think?
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
But what has basis of fact - almost EVERYTHING about Scotland's finances is predicated upon assumptions about what will or will not be post a YES or a NO. So you or I do not KNOW whether things will be better or worse post a YES. What I do know is the strength of feeling in England about free prescriptions, uni places etc in Scotland - and that feeling is ACTUAL and not estimated.

Scots are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think English electorate will allow the current position to continue post a NO vote. The vast majority (I'd guess) of English voters are finding things very tough at the moment - and seeing Scots getting this, that and the other for free on the back of Westminster funding does not go down well.

And the BT Campaign telling the Scottish electorate that they can have the best of both worlds by voting NO only serves to wind up folk in England even more. In the run-up to a 2015 general election and following a NO vote the political parties will not be able to ignore calls from English voters for a new funding arrangement and cuts of the Scottish block grant - and there will be nothing Scotland will be able to do about it. I think you have a right to know what's in store for you post NO.
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Glad we have established you don't know and are just guessing.
 
ger147 said:
Glad we have established you don't know and are just guessing.
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Isn't everyone?

Look - all I hear down here are predictions of doom and gloom from the BT Campaign if Scotland votes YES - so just ask them whether or not the Westminster block grant will be protected and for how long following a NO vote. They should be able to get an answer on that question from their Westminster friends without too much difficulty. Except they won't tell you because the answer will be that it won't be protected - and they don't want to tell you that.
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Isn't everyone?

Look - all I hear down here are predictions of doom and gloom from the BT Campaign if Scotland votes YES - so just ask them whether or not the Westminster block grant will be protected and for how long following a NO vote.
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BT are not the government just now and will not be the government post-2015 so they can't possibly answer that question honestly and accurately, and if they DID try to answer they would just be guessing...

If YOU want to know, YOU ask them...
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
You think things are better down here do you? Rather typical of the Scottish delusion that is prevalent over the 'good life' available to all down here.
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you have an unfortunate response attitude that paints everyone with the same brush......and you 'make up' what you don't appear to understand.
Calm down dear!
 
ger147 said:
BT are not the government just now and will not be the government post-2015 so they can't possibly answer that question honestly and accurately, and if they DID try to answer they would just be guessing...

If YOU want to know, YOU ask them...
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Don't YOU want to know? I'd have thought that the status of the block grant would have been at the forefront of voters thoughts as it is surely key to the finances of a Scotland post a NO vote. Guess you are willing to take a punt on it. But I'll be surprised if it goes up.

Maybe I'll ask my mother's MP and MSP as I have already written to them about not getting a vote :) and they replied - both implied that maybe I should have got a vote - and the fact that I don't is an SNP strategy. But of course as this would be a tricky question they might this time choose not to reply as I am not one of their constituents.

So I'll ask my MP as well.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Don't YOU want to know? I'd have thought that the status of the block grant would have been at the forefront of voters thoughts as it is surely key to the finances of a Scotland post a NO vote. Guess you are willing to take a punt on it. But I'll be surprised if it goes up.

Maybe I'll ask my mother's MP and MSP as I have already written to them about not getting a vote :) and they replied - both implied that maybe I should have got a vote - and the fact that I don't is an SNP strategy. But of course as this would be a tricky question they might this time choose not to reply as I am not one of their constituents.

So I'll ask my MP as well.
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If I do want to know I'd have as much chance of an accurate answer from the guy on Brighton Pier doing Tarot cards for £10 a throw as I would asking Alistair Darling. Asking politicians what they intend to do if they win a vote/election rarely results in truthful and accurate answers. See the Lib Dems and their pledge on tuition fees for a recent example.
 
Sadly those of us who will get a vote in this poll will not have enough trustworthy 'facts' to base a rational decision on. This is partly due to the genuine complexity and partly due to politically engineered uncertainties. Both sides will spin their perspective of what might or might not happen and appeal to both our nobler and our baser instincts in a bid to secure our vote.

Things will be different after the vote whatever the outcome - better or worse I frankly have no idea. Personally I think we had a pretty good settlement with devolution and I'd have been happy to stick with that and remain integrated into the UK - it has at least some and perhaps many benefits. Few if any of us are visionary enough to envisage what will come after the poll.

So how will Scotland's residents decide, well there will be some Bravehearts saying Aye , some small c conservatives saying no (but thanks for asking) and the great unwashed on the middle who will be swayed by vagaries of the campaign.

So long as the Tory's manage to keep quiet I think the no's might just scrape home, but if a whiff of 'we know better' emerges from them the pitch will be queered and we might all be queuing up for a new passport.

At the moment I'll be voting No, not because Scotland can't be independent (it can) but because I'm not persuaded the tenuous benefits outweigh the nebulous costs.

Ian
 
GreiginFife said:
Not that much different to this http://www.primelocation.com/for-sa...h_identifier=e99bfa8e7343de8f669309352772181e

:whistle:
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Quite a bit different sort of property though. Your one would be £750,000+ down here maybe a £1,000,000 if in a nice rural location - like this sort of thing on edge of town. That's the problem down here - start looking for a nice (not big) place in a nice location and prices rocket and are completley unaffordable to the majority of us.

http://www.primelocation.com/for-sa...h_identifier=76b07eaf06489dd13e87f6c54251c191

Moving from a town 3 bed-semi to a town detached 4 bed you are going from maybe £375,000 to £600,000 :(
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Don't YOU want to know? I'd have thought that the status of the block grant would have been at the forefront of voters thoughts as it is surely key to the finances of a Scotland post a NO vote. Guess you are willing to take a punt on it. But I'll be surprised if it goes up.

Maybe I'll ask my mother's MP and MSP as I have already written to them about not getting a vote :) and they replied - both implied that maybe I should have got a vote - and the fact that I don't is an SNP strategy. But of course as this would be a tricky question they might this time choose not to reply as I am not one of their constituents.

So I'll ask my MP as well.
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Hogan, out of interest do you think Sir Sean Connery should have a vote, he is a strong financial SNP supporter even though he chooses to live outside Scotland in tax exile.

How about the 100 year old Canadian who left Scotland as a baby.
It is just simple to have it as residents only.
You live in England and vote for an English MP and an English local Councillor to represent you.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
Hogan, out of interest do you think Sir Sean Connery should have a vote, he is a strong financial SNP supporter even though he chooses to live outside Scotland in tax exile.

How about the 100 year old Canadian who left Scotland as a baby.
It is just simple to have it as residents only.
You live in England and vote for an English MP and an English local Councillor to represent you.
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PS If that is your hoose in the photo that lawn is a disgrace!
 
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