Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I don't think many of us wish to live in a socialist utopia.
The Liberals were always strong in Scotland and a country run by David Steel and John Smith would have been a better suit to Thatcher or Michael Foot.
Scotland Debate
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
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I don't think many of us wish to live in a socialist utopia.
The Liberals were always strong in Scotland and a country run by David Steel and John Smith would have been a better suit to Thatcher or Michael Foot.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
So we'd be looking at the emergence of a Scottish Liberal Party? Could be successful.
Adi2Dassler
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I'm not a socialist...I own a company and drive profits as hard and as fairly as I can.I just think there is a better balance available than the current model.
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c1973
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Good news for Glasgow.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28129190
Nice to see some investment for a change. We might actually get the airport rail link that Salmond and his cronies pulled the plug on.
Although, never one to miss an opportunity they still manage to talk this investment down. Is it so hard to say this is good news and just leave it at that?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28129190
Nice to see some investment for a change. We might actually get the airport rail link that Salmond and his cronies pulled the plug on.
Although, never one to miss an opportunity they still manage to talk this investment down. Is it so hard to say this is good news and just leave it at that?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
It is a way out of the dead end where Clegg placed them.
Totally separate Scottish Liberal party, there would be a fair bit of support I think.
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c1973
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Liberals tended to do well in the highlands & islands in the past. Not so sure they done that we'll elsewhere, I do stand to be corrected though.
Adi2Dassler
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For a change?Seriously?..chicken feed over 20 years is ok I suppose.
http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2014/jul/nicola-sturgeon-comments-offer-glasgow
Old Skier
Tour Winner
Not happy then, tell them you don't won't it. People in N Devon would be happy with 1mil a year. No pleasing some I suppose.
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c1973
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Funny they could find 500 mil just like that when they thought they'd be at a political disadvantage but it wasn't there when GARL required the funding though,eh?
I was actually referring to investment being a change when all we are hearing about is cuts and austerity. Perhaps I wasn't clear on that though.
My jibe at Salmond and his cronies stands (Sturgeon is the worst), reactionary politics and point scoring, what a way to run a country. How difficult is it to welcome investment without the usual SNP clowns talking it down?
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Swings and Roundabouts.........Glasgow's gain and Prestwicks loss.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
I have held off saying this but I think I need to get it off my chest:
I believe much of this drive for Scottish independence is driven by the want to grab the oil revenues. If there was no oil I doubt very much if the issue would exist.
I believe much of this drive for Scottish independence is driven by the want to grab the oil revenues. If there was no oil I doubt very much if the issue would exist.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
mibbes aye, mibbes naw.
dunno why you've held off getting that off your chest, it's not exactly the most revolutionary pov?
Old Skier
Tour Winner
I wouldn't put it down to oil. More to do with synicall polititions lust for power during a period when we are unfortunately seeing how easy it is to wind up areas of the public by false promises and the grass is always greener syndrome. The less well off will always be less well off and the rich will always be rich and get richer.
If iscot is going to cure all ills, will we see a mass exodus of Scots from RUK? Life's what you make off it. Becoming Independant will not make the slightest difference to the average Scot IMHO.
If iscot is going to cure all ills, will we see a mass exodus of Scots from RUK? Life's what you make off it. Becoming Independant will not make the slightest difference to the average Scot IMHO.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Nearly half a million English citizens have already made that move to Scotland.
A figure that represents 10% of the Scots population which would equate to six million Scots living in England.
A figure that represents 10% of the Scots population which would equate to six million Scots living in England.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
On which basis you could say that they should get on with looking after themselves so the rest of us don't have to put up with all the whinging about England and the unfairness - blah blah - which is for me one reason I hope they vote YES.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Because I think the real deep seated drive for independence is greed driven by oil revenues. Not of the man in the street but by the political elite who see it as a way to increase their power
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Finally!
An admission rather than the claptrap previously heard about weighing up things.
All that remains now is for similar honesty from your fellow anti- English campaigner, DfT.
That has been the difference on this thread, someone like Adi2dassler who very sincerely and eloquently puts the case for an independent Scotland without feeling the need to constantly snipe at England and the English and others who have used it as an opportunity to air all their anti-English prejudices.
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c1973
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Exactly.
Anyone buying into this 'in charge of our own destiny' claptrap is deluded imo. The political elite will make the decisions (usually failing to live up to manifesto promises) as usual. Can you then say you got what you voted for?
Imo, in an independent Scotland it wouldn't be long before the public school educated proffesional career politician comes to the fore, as it is in Westminster. It will be a case of 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'. What then?
By all means vote for independence if that is your thinking, but please don't kid yourself that it will be much different politically from what you want to leave behind.
Guys like adi make convincing arguments (even if they're wrong
) and I genuinely admire the conviction of their beliefs, but, the voices of people like Jimmy Reid, Jim Sillars, Margo (even Sheridan perhaps) etc would get drowned out by the moneyed career politicians eventually. I hate to say it, as I have tremendous admiration for these first three (less so Sheridan) and genuinely wish we had more like them, but they and people like them would eventually end up lone voices (talking sense perhaps) but on the outside of decision making. Big hitters but ineffective, like Gorgeous George perhaps? I genuinely wish that were not the case, but believe in my heart by voting for independence you are merely getting rid of one lot of money grabbing, power hungry, corrupt, lying, cheating (infraction) and replacing them with another. Where is the gain in that for the ordinary man?
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Adi2Dassler
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There isn't really a 'political elite' in the Westminster mould in Scotland, there's a lack of career politicians unlike Westminster too.And the Nationalist movement in Scotland pre-dates the 70's oil boom by quite a distance.Oil revenues aren't a way to increase power, simply what they are-a revenue stream, like our water,our people and our long history of invention.
To suggest otherwise shows a deep misunderstanding of Scotland and its people.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
This is possible, but only if you let it happen.I'm of the opinion that this is an opportunity to create a new direction instead of the acceptance that we continue along the same road or replace like with like.I think your opinion is very negative, very pessimistic and dare I say it, very old school Scottish.Lets not allow things to keep on going the same way, lets atke the opportunity to reshape Scotland
