Scotland Debate

[Hobbit]

Re x and y.
Translate that into Trident for starters and you will see that it is not so simple.

And we'll protect your borders if you allow us to use Faslane. I'm not disagreeing with you that there will be some quid pro quo, I'm saying that the rUK are hardly likely to fund the building of what you haven't got.

Imagine the success a Con party would have at the next election if they turned round to rUK before Sept and said, "rUK taxes will fund the development of Scotland post independence." Its almost the political suicide the Cons would commit if they said lets totally privatise the National Health.

And if Scotland is so much more wealthy than rUK, as is being suggested, maybe it will be Scotland paying rUK for going its own way...

 

[Foxholer]

something very weird going on with the quoting tool today.

Nope!

It only takes 1 misplaced edit (1 too many characters deleted for example) and it won't 'pair up' the delimiters.

If you then quote that post, it carries it through.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I never said that rUK will fund iScotland.
I commented that there will be negotiation on both sides and the expense will not all be iScotlands.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I never said that rUK will fund iScotland.
I commented that there will be negotiation on both sides and the expense will not all be iScotlands.

You said that both sides would fund the setting up of an Independent Scotland

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You said that both sides would fund the setting up of an Independent Scotland

..and?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

..and?

And as yet haven't been able to show where it says that's

You want to leave - fund it yourself , certainly don't want to see my taxes funding anything with and Independent Scotland

 

[Hobbit]

And as yet haven't been able to show where it says that's

You want to leave - fund it yourself , certainly don't want to see my taxes funding anything with and Independent Scotland

Don't worry yourself Phil, its as clear as a blue sky in Section 30 of the Edinburgh Agreement . And of course rUK will have cash to burn...:rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Don't worry yourself Phil, its as clear as a blue sky in Section 30 of the Edinburgh Agreement . And of course rUK will have cash to burn...:rofl:

Is the Edinburgh Agreement the same as that Fantasy Novel that I have read ( the white paper )

Has anyone actually "agreed" this agreement ?

 

[Hobbit]

Is the Edinburgh Agreement the same as that Fantasy Novel that I have read ( the white paper )

Has anyone actually "agreed" this agreement ?

To be fair, its a decent document. Unfortunately there's a number of politicians that have put their own spin on the interpretations, and some people have swallowed the groundbait before its even hit the water.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

To be fair, its a decent document. Unfortunately there's a number of politicians that have put their own spin on the interpretations, and some people have swallowed the groundbait before its even hit the water.

Seemed like to me it was full of assumptions of what they believe should happen

 

[Hobbit]

Seemed like to me it was full of assumptions of what they believe should happen

I'd call it an Entente Cordial. A let's be really cuddly and nice about it... but when it comes to dipping into the public purse I don't think anything will be given away for nothing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'd call it an Entente Cordial. A let's be really cuddly and nice about it... but when it comes to dipping into the public purse I don't think anything will be given away for nothing.

And we are certainly not going to "give away" equipment etc

 

[Foxholer]

You want to leave - fund it yourself , certainly don't want to see my taxes funding anything with and Independent Scotland

You've obviously never been through a divorce - which is pretty much what this is/would be!

As others have stated. it seems logical that iScotland would fund the new infrastructure, but there would certainly be costs involved for rUK in unwinding the old infrastructure and re-attaching to the new one.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And we are certainly not going to "give away" equipment etc

But would it be your equipment to 'give away'.

How do you work out 12% of the DVLA or Scotlands share of the National Savings Bank [premium Bonds] ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But would it be your equipment to 'give away'.

How do you work out 12% of the DVLA or Scotlands share of the National Savings Bank [premium Bonds] ?

Its UK's equipment - you decide to leave UK you leave everything behind.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Its UK's equipment - you decide to leave UK you leave everything behind.

including debt?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

including debt?

Fine by me

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Fine by me

You might find yourself alone on that one...UK debt by 2106 is predicted to be £1.6 Trillion.Remove 10% of the population/GDP etc etc but keep the same level of debt ( or increase it per capita) and rUK will be goosed.You seriously don't want that scenario to happen.Rating agencies will pounce, the cost of borrowing will increase for your govt.

Talk about cutting off your nose

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You might find yourself alone on that one...UK debt by 2106 is predicted to be £1.6 Trillion.Remove 10% of the population/GDP etc etc but keep the same level of debt ( or increase it per capita) and rUK will be goosed.You seriously don't want that scenario to happen.Rating agencies will pounce, the cost of borrowing will increase for your govt.

Talk about cutting off your nose

Very valid statement towards a lot in regards independence.

The good thing is we wont have to spend a penny on anything in Scotland so that will save us a bit of money. Wonder how much on benefits we wont pay - expect there will be a great deal of UK assets in Scotland that could be sold off as well. But its all speculation because again dont expect it to actually happen.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Very valid statement towards a lot in regards independence.

The good thing is we wont have to spend a penny on anything in Scotland so that will save us a bit of money. Wonder how much on benefits we wont pay - expect there will be a great deal of UK assets in Scotland that could be sold off as well. But its all speculation because again dont expect it to actually happen.

you actually have no idea what you're talking about.