Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

OMG. This analogy is getting ... er, Cheesy!

Unfortunately, the inspiration for the ditty came from 1 Scotsman's feeble and failed attempt at farming in which he destroyed at least 1 home!

Was that Old MacDonald.

 

[SocketRocket]

If you try to sell the cheese for the original value to next doors mouse, they'll tell you it's not worth as much anymore, devalue your cheese or we'll buy our cheese elsewhere

This cheese is for eating. The mice sell their bodies for experimentation to buy it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

OMG. This analogy is getting ... er, Cheesy!

Unfortunately, the inspiration for the ditty came from 1 Scotsman's feeble and failed attempt at farming in which he destroyed at least 1 home!

There's a couple of other lines from that that are also relevant too!

I'm truly sorry man's dominion
Has broken natures social union.

Is that one.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I think he refers to the value of the £ if you remove Scottish people and Scottish money and Scottish oil from the value of sterling.

....and all the expenditure in Scotland, including welfare.

Is it Scottish oil, where did the development capital originate. Diminishing asset in any case.

So now we are to believe that not only will there be a union on sterling but it will be on the terms dictated by the economic power-house Scotland.

Best to keep it simple; Get Real!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

....and all the expenditure in Scotland, including welfare.

Is it Scottish oil, where did the development capital originate. Diminishing asset in any case.

So now we are to believe that not only will there be a union on sterling but it will be on the terms dictated by the economic power-house Scotland.

Best to keep it simple; Get Real!

Welfare mentioned in relation to Scottish independence...our own version of Godwins Law...you win the internet

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Barnett payment=all taxes (excluding oil revenues) raised in Scotland, according to Westminster, so that cancels that out.

We're told that there will be no currency union=no Scottish residents spending the £

This would also affect the balance of payments into/out of rUK using the £

If 10% of the folk thats used to use any currency are removed in one move, the value of that currency will be reviewed.

rUK has the £, devalued by x%, a higher per capita level of debt, a questionable credit rating, no nuclear weapons, probably removed from their permanent seat on the SC,no North Sea oil revenues, looking to leave the EU, veering towards UKIP.

No wonder you're desperate for us to vote No.

 

[Foxholer]

I'm truly sorry man's dominion
Has broken natures social union.

Is that one.

Only slightly

Last verse seems appropriate to the Referendum

Still thou art blest, compar'd wi' me
The present only toucheth thee:
But, Och! I backward cast my e'e.
On prospects drear!
An' forward, tho' I canna see,
I guess an' fear!


And 2nd Last verse seems the biggest reason folk would vote 'No'!

But, Mousie, thou art no thy lane,
In proving foresight may be vain;
The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Barnett payment=all taxes (excluding oil revenues) raised in Scotland, according to Westminster, so that cancels that out.

We're told that there will be no currency union=no Scottish residents spending the £

This would also affect the balance of payments into/out of rUK using the £

If 10% of the folk thats used to use any currency are removed in one move, the value of that currency will be reviewed.

rUK has the £, devalued by x%, a higher per capita level of debt, a questionable credit rating, no nuclear weapons, probably removed from their permanent seat on the SC,no North Sea oil revenues, looking to leave the EU, veering towards UKIP.

No wonder you're desperate for us to vote No.

What are the lottery number on Friday ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Barnett payment=all taxes (excluding oil revenues) raised in Scotland, according to Westminster, so that cancels that out.

We're told that there will be no currency union=no Scottish residents spending the £

This would also affect the balance of payments into/out of rUK using the £

If 10% of the folk thats used to use any currency are removed in one move, the value of that currency will be reviewed.

rUK has the £, devalued by x%, a higher per capita level of debt, a questionable credit rating, no nuclear weapons, probably removed from their permanent seat on the SC,no North Sea oil revenues, looking to leave the EU, veering towards UKIP.

No wonder you're desperate for us to vote No.

Post of the year!!! well said.

I have noticed Mr Barnett has kept his heid well down now that actual facts show that we Scots actually manage our affairs better than Westminster.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The best-laid schemes o' mice an 'men
Gang aft agley,
An' lea'e us nought but grief an' pain,
For promis'd joy!

Must confess I have dwelled on this a few times, sums up a lot of Scots at the moment.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not any more! I really hope it is a Yes vote and that we can be rid of the Scots, you have been a drain on us for far too long and with an aging population that can only get worse. Don't suppose you would like to reclaim those two great bastions of the banking world and such great examples of Scottish financial prudence and management, RBS & HBoS.


No I didn't think so.


Mind you I am wondering what has happened to the nuclear weapons in the scenario you paint. Are they to be seized by the Armed Forces that you and DfT don't want post independence.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not any more! I really hope it is a Yes vote and that we can be rid of the Scots, you have been a drain on us for far too long and with an aging population that can only get worse. Don't suppose you would like to reclaim those two great bastions of the banking world and such great examples of Scottish financial prudence and management, RBS & HBoS.


No I didn't think so.


Mind you I am wondering what has happened to the nuclear weapons in the scenario you paint. Are they to be seized by the Armed Forces that you and DfT don't want post independence.

I have never said anything about not wanting armed forces, pretty sure Adi has not either.

Nuclear weapons yes, but not armed forces.

 

[Hobbit]

Barnett payment=all taxes (excluding oil revenues) raised in Scotland, according to Westminster, so that cancels that out.
.

Barnett Formula;

"No account is made of the amounts raised by taxation in each of the home nations, nor the relevant fiscal need (based on factors such as sparsity of population, cost of travel, unemployment rates, and health) in each area. The Barnett formula never claimed to address these issues and was a basic calculation on the basis of proportions of the population..."

Nice to see you're still using facts to support your case...

 

[Old Skier]

I don't suppose the yes school of fiscal study has come up with the figure regarding the amount of revenue that will be lost to the local Scottish economy with the withdrawal and closure of all the military bases.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Not any more! I really hope it is a Yes vote and that we can be rid of the Scots, you have been a drain on us for far too long and with an aging population that can only get worse.

Careful now,the mask seems to be slipping occasionally on this thread recently,venturing towards xenophobia.if you could explain how us Scots have been a drain on the UK is appreciate it.

I agree we have an ageing population,spending money on caring for them instead of trains,nukes,wars and tax evasion sounds like a plan to me.

 

[Val]

Barnett payment=all taxes (excluding oil revenues) raised in Scotland, according to Westminster, so that cancels that out.

We're told that there will be no currency union=no Scottish residents spending the £

This would also affect the balance of payments into/out of rUK using the £

If 10% of the folk thats used to use any currency are removed in one move, the value of that currency will be reviewed.

rUK has the £, devalued by x%, a higher per capita level of debt, a questionable credit rating, no nuclear weapons, probably removed from their permanent seat on the SC,no North Sea oil revenues, looking to leave the EU, veering towards UKIP.

No wonder you're desperate for us to vote No.

And if it was that transparent do you seriously think the uk treasury would be adamant there would be no currency union?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Barnett Formula;

"No account is made of the amounts raised by taxation in each of the home nations, nor the relevant fiscal need (based on factors such as sparsity of population, cost of travel, unemployment rates, and health) in each area. The Barnett formula never claimed to address these issues and was a basic calculation on the basis of proportions of the population..."

Nice to see you're still using facts to support your case...

On my phone but I guess that's selective quoting,or coincidence that both figures are pretty close to each other.Will coke back to this tomorrow

 

[Val]

Not any more! I really hope it is a Yes vote and that we can be rid of the Scots, you have been a drain on us for far too long and with an aging population that can only get worse. Don't suppose you would like to reclaim those two great bastions of the banking world and such great examples of Scottish financial prudence and management, RBS & HBoS.

What a bigoted response, shocking

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't suppose the yes school of fiscal study has come up with the figure regarding the amount of revenue that will be lost to the local Scottish economy with the withdrawal and closure of all the military bases.

I believe they think they will create their own armed forces ( from the UK forces ) to keep the bases open

Think the white paper suggests giving them two squadrons of typhoons plus all the personell and some Helicopters plus a battalion

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I don't suppose the yes school of fiscal study has come up with the figure regarding the amount of revenue that will be lost to the local Scottish economy with the withdrawal and closure of all the military bases.

Closure by Westminster or by holyrood?