Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

There probably are, but I'll go out on a limb here and state none of them are from an independent Scotland.

I believe it's more the threat from others around the world - terrorists etc

Do Scotland really want to have unprotected borders or not be part of an alliance that shows strength in numbers.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I believe it's more the threat from others around the world - terrorists etc

Do Scotland really want to have unprotected borders or not be part of an alliance that shows strength in numbers.

What alliance do you mean?

UK
EU
NATO
UN
Commonwealth

I guess you mean UK, the very same UK that has removed jets/warships from our waters, so when Russia does plant a couple of their warships in Scottish waters, they have to send a ship up from Portsmouth to 'protect' us...but even better that warship only had one engine working as the other one was broken!Seriously, the ASC and CCS could protect us more effectively.

I wonder how Ireland/Norway/Iceland protect their borders....

 

[Deleted member 15344]

What alliance do you mean?

UK
EU
NATO
UN
Commonwealth

I guess you mean UK, the very same UK that has removed jets/warships from our waters, so when Russia does plant a couple of their warships in Scottish waters, they have to send a ship up from Portsmouth to 'protect' us...but even better that warship only had one engine working as the other one was broken!Seriously, the ASC and CCS could protect us more effectively.

I wonder how Ireland/Norway/Iceland protect their borders....

There are planes patrolling the North Sea and planes that have been scrambled from Leuchars to intercept Russian Bear A/C coming towards Scotland - I suppose without those UK planes the bears would have just soared right down across Scotland.

Are you now saying the UK military can't protect Scotland - what will you do with no military soon ?

How many Russian or indeed any non NATO military ships have reached Scottish or indeed UK waters ?

As each days goes by when I read your stuff I actually want you to go Independent now - remove yourself from every single alliance there is because I got a feeling you want to cherry pick which ones you want to join.

You can leave NATO or Un or UK or EU or the lot and become a fully independent country. Then watch all the companies flood out of Scotland , all the military bases close and all the personel leave ,all the defence contracts leave , - wonder what you will be left with - Salmonds empty white promise paper full of nonsense.

They were having discussion at Scotland's military bases and it appears the majority would like to stay in the UK armed forces , they would like to stay part of NATO.

I used the love the banter with the Scots and we used to work together really well in the military and in sport etc and I'm sad that my feelings about that union is changing because of people like you and your attitude towards the UK

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I believe it's more the threat from others around the world - terrorists etc

Do Scotland really want to have unprotected borders or not be part of an alliance that shows strength in numbers.

.........and involves us in illegal wars.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

.........and involves us in illegal wars.

Which illegal war would that be that you were involved in

 

[Old Skier]

.........and involves us in illegal wars.

Here we go again

 

[Foxholer]

There are planes patrolling the North Sea and planes that have been scrambled from Leuchars to intercept Russian Bear A/C coming towards Scotland - I suppose without those UK planes the bears would have just soared right down across Scotland.

Are you now saying the UK military can't protect Scotland - what will you do with no military soon ?

How many Russian or indeed any non NATO military ships have reached Scottish or indeed UK waters ?

As each days goes by when I read your stuff I actually want you to go Independent now - remove yourself from every single alliance there is because I got a feeling you want to cherry pick which ones you want to join.

You can leave NATO or Un or UK or EU or the lot and become a fully independent country. Then watch all the companies flood out of Scotland , all the military bases close and all the personel leave ,all the defence contracts leave , - wonder what you will be left with - Salmonds empty white promise paper full of nonsense.

They were having discussion at Scotland's military bases and it appears the majority would like to stay in the UK armed forces , they would like to stay part of NATO.

I used the love the banter with the Scots and we used to work together really well in the military and in sport etc and I'm sad that my feelings about that union is changing because of people like you and your attitude towards the UK

Er Phil! Perhaps you should read this! http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/future-of-raf-leuchars-revealed-1-2821065

So no more scrambles from Leuchars!

Asking how many 'enemy' ships have entered Scottish waters is like asking how many Snakes did St Patrick banish!

If a large 'enemy' is going to encroach, there's sod-all iScotland could do about it, but it's rather likely that rUK would want to do something about it - and would act in their own interests anyway!

Cherry picking is exactly what an Independent Scotland would/will be able to do! Since when is that disadvantageous? Seems to me, that's more of an advantage!

Now the business issue is much more something that the 'No' guys should push. They haven't been very successful so far. All businesses have to make contingency plans, so those are easily countered. It's the ones that make 'definite' statements that are important imo. Sky apparently won't change. Silicon Glen is possibly the area where most 'uncertainty' can be harvested by the 'No's.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Er Phil! Perhaps you should read this! http://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/local-headlines/future-of-raf-leuchars-revealed-1-2821065

So no more scrambles from Leuchars!

Asking how many 'enemy' ships have entered Scottish waters is like asking how many Snakes did St Patrick banish!

If a large 'enemy' is going to encroach, there's sod-all iScotland could do about it, but it's rather likely that rUK would want to do something about it - and would act in their own interests anyway!

Cherry picking is exactly what an Independent Scotland would/will be able to do! Since when is that disadvantageous? Seems to me, that's more of an advantage!

Now the business issue is much more something that the 'No' guys should push. They haven't been very successful so far. All businesses have to make contingency plans, so those are easily countered. It's the ones that make 'definite' statements that are important imo. Sky apparently won't change. Silicon Glen is possibly the area where most 'uncertainty' can be harvested by the 'No's.

They will scramble from Lossiemouth instead as they are moving there.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

There are planes patrolling the North Sea and planes that have been scrambled from Leuchars to intercept Russian Bear A/C coming towards Scotland - I suppose without those UK planes the bears would have just soared right down across Scotland.

Are you now saying the UK military can't protect Scotland - what will you do with no military soon ?

How many Russian or indeed any non NATO military ships have reached Scottish or indeed UK waters ?

As each days goes by when I read your stuff I actually want you to go Independent now - remove yourself from every single alliance there is because I got a feeling you want to cherry pick which ones you want to join.

You can leave NATO or Un or UK or EU or the lot and become a fully independent country. Then watch all the companies flood out of Scotland , all the military bases close and all the personel leave ,all the defence contracts leave , - wonder what you will be left with - Salmonds empty white promise paper full of nonsense.

They were having discussion at Scotland's military bases and it appears the majority would like to stay in the UK armed forces , they would like to stay part of NATO.

I used the love the banter with the Scots and we used to work together really well in the military and in sport etc and I'm sad that my feelings about that union is changing because of people like you and your attitude towards the UK

I get the feeling you've not been paying attention.


Scotland doesn't want to leave any alliance, firstly because,technically, we're not part of any alliance, except The commonwealth, but secondly because we're want to be active,responsible members of all of the alliances I mentioned previously.

And suggestions that companies will 'flood out of Scotland' may be true, it also may be total nonsense.But consider unionists like you made the very same threats prior to devolution, and guess what?Empty vessels do actually make the most noise.

And I hope that your wish for us to gain independence is achieved, but not for the reasons you have, but because of the reasons I have.They appear to be significantly different.

Also, there hasn't been any maritime patrol aircraft for the entire UK,let alone Scotland, since Nimrod was axed 4 years ago...the only way we found out the Russians were parked 12 miles off Scotland is when a couple of trawlermen from Peterhead reported it!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Unionist ?!

No not a unionist - just believe in strength together as one

Have you even considered that it could all go horribly wrong after a yes vote ?

Have you considered the impact of people's livelihoods if a yes vote when the high possibility of job losses occur ?

Or do you only consider your own reasons

What happens if you get a yes vote and it rips Scotland apart ?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Unionist ?!

No not a unionist - just believe in strength together as one

Have you even considered that it could all go horribly wrong after a yes vote ?

Have you considered the impact of people's livelihoods if a yes vote when the high possibility of job losses occur ?

Or do you only consider your own reasons

What happens if you get a yes vote and it rips Scotland apart ?

You want the union to continue, ergo you're a unionist.

The rest is just nonsense.My own reasons exclude job creation,Scotland becoming the West Bank and Martian invasions.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's nonsense or you don't want to think that a yes vote can be negative towards the country

Is there a possibility that a yes vote could be bad for the country - yes or no

What if that happens ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Is Mystic Meg still trading?

Nobody but Nobody can say with any certainty what will happen in their country in 5 years time.

As Hosie says what will happen to Sterling should Scotland shift their oil wealth to Euros.
It will collapse of course.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is Mystic Meg still trading?

Nobody but Nobody can say with any certainty what will happen in their country in 5 years time.

As Hosie says what will happen to Sterling should Scotland shift their oil wealth to Euros.
It will collapse of course.

So you say nobody can know for certain but then you state the sterling will collapse if Scotland shift their oil wealth ?

Is the oil wealth currently UK's ?

 

[Val]

Is Mystic Meg still trading?

Nobody but Nobody can say with any certainty what will happen in their country in 5 years time.

As Hosie says what will happen to Sterling should Scotland shift their oil wealth to Euros.
It will collapse of course.

Nonsense, sterlings a strength is not in oil

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well I would say that there is a probability in 5 years time that Scotland will be in the Eurozone.

 

[Foxholer]

They will scramble from Lossiemouth instead as they are moving there.

Doesn't that destroy your earlier argument?

They will scramble from wherever the nearest/most appropriate base is! If rUK withdraw from Lossiemouth, they'll simply base the Squadrons at one of the other - most likely North East - bases.

As Hosie says what will happen to Sterling should Scotland shift their oil wealth to Euros.
It will collapse of course.

This, however, is complete tosh!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

It's nonsense or you don't want to think that a yes vote can be negative towards the country

Is there a possibility that a yes vote could be bad for the country - yes or no

What if that happens ?

Yes.

Then we'll have to deal with the mistakes we make as a nation.simple.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well I would say that there is a probability in 5 years time that Scotland will be in the Eurozone.

Is that highly dependent on if they are still part of the UK

If the vote goes in the way of No then there is no "probability" of going to the Eurozone

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes.

Then we'll have to deal with the mistakes we make as a nation.simple.

You make it sound so easy - all words at the end of the day, very flippant indeed.

It's all bed of roses isn't it.