Scotland Debate

[Old Skier]

How many Scottish people do you think serve elsewhere in the forces? I seem to remember 4 RTR was almost 75% Scottish

Your going back to 1993 now. I'm ex RTR and 1 had very few left in the later years and when they are down to just a Regiment in August I would bet on a small handful. Remember by 2018 there won't be enough left in the Army to fill Wembley so % are bound to go down.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I believe they think they will create their own armed forces ( from the UK forces ) to keep the bases open

Think the white paper suggests giving them two squadrons of typhoons plus all the personell and some Helicopters plus a battalion

You seem to have forgotten the Navy.

 

[Old Skier]

You seem to have forgotten the Navy.

The only part of the Navy worth anything is nuclear. I thought you wanted nothing to do with that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You seem to have forgotten the Navy.

Do you believe the UK should just give you a part of the UK Forces or are you going to build your own from scratch or just hire the UK's

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The only part of the Navy worth anything is nuclear. I thought you wanted nothing to do with that.

I think iScotland will need fishery protection vessels more than nuclear subs.
They are also a hell of a lot cheaper. Massive savings gained by ditching and ancient out of date Trident systems.
Like the Scandinavian countries we have no need for large armed forces.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think iScotland will need fishery protection vessels more than nuclear subs.
They are also a hell of a lot cheaper. Massive savings gained by ditching and ancient out of date Trident systems.
Like the Scandinavian countries we have no need for large armed forces.

So what about the people whose livelihood relies on those armed forces in Scotland ? What would you like them to do ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Were you not just saying we haven't got any, can't have it both ways.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Were you not just saying we haven't got any, can't have it both ways.

You currently do that's the point.

 

[SocketRocket]

Does the Rabbit know something we don't!

[video=youtube;hFWtz4hr65E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFWtz4hr65E[/video]

 

[Deleted member 18588]

What a bigoted response, shocking

My apologies to those of the Scots with a more balanced view. Yes the post was intended to provoke a response but also to show some on here how their continual carping and anti-English comments can come across to some of us.

Actually I am in favour of the Union and I do feel that we are all Better Together, I just sometimes tire of those who would have us believe that continuance of the current state is somehow designed to ensure a downtrodden Scotland.

Having now said that I shall be making no further comments on this or any related topics as it has become both tiresome and divisive.

In fact on further consideration I have decided that to prevent any further outburst I will be withdrawing fully from the Forum.

Thank you and may you all enjoy good health and good golf.

 

[Foxholer]

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In fact on further consideration I have decided that to prevent any further outburst I will be withdrawing fully from the Forum.
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How peculiar!

 

[Old Skier]

How peculiar!

Not really, the anti British sentiment being shown on forums across the tinternet and some of the blame game being displayed by the yes vote has even got to HID who has little interest in politics other than to use her vote.
It appears our Commonwealth Games tickets will be going in the bin.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Barnett Formula;

"No account is made of the amounts raised by taxation in each of the home nations, nor the relevant fiscal need (based on factors such as sparsity of population, cost of travel, unemployment rates, and health) in each area. The Barnett formula never claimed to address these issues and was a basic calculation on the basis of proportions of the population..."

Nice to see you're still using facts to support your case...

apologies, taxation and barnett being so close to each other I assumed there was a direct correlation.We're about £50 short of UK GDP without oil, and about £900 ahead including oil.But yes, my statement was inaccurate.

And if it was that transparent do you seriously think the uk treasury would be adamant there would be no currency union?

There seems to be a wee bit of movement from inside westminster on that topic of late.

You talk as if Scotland took no part in the decision making for the above issues. Seems to me there are a disproportionate number of Scots in Parliament and they have in many cases supported wars,Trains and Nukes. Are you also suggesting that Scots have not evaded tax? Are you suggesting somehow that these things were English policy only?

The trains I was talking about are the fancy new ones between London and Manchester,Crossrail,Channel Tunnel...we contribute(d) to those with pretty minimal return.Nuclear weapons are pretty much unpopular in Scotland, a small % of folk want them kept.And wars, well, Iraq was generally seen as unpopular throughout The UK, troops sent in on the back of lies.So Scotland has the chance to remove ourselves from the political war games and being at the call of Pennsylvania Avenue.
Scottish companies do indeed evade tax, we have the opportunity to simplify the single most complex taxation coding in the civilised world to make that evasion less possible.

In fact on further consideration I have decided that to prevent any further outburst I will be withdrawing fully from the Forum.

Thank you and may you all enjoy good health and good golf.

A wee bit extreme

It appears our Commonwealth Games tickets will be going in the bin.

This is excellent news.I think Glasgow will be operating the same procedure as London did, and by that I mean anyone not in attendance by a specific time will have their seat either re-sold or local youths allowed in for nothing.So thank you very much for your generous contribution to sporting activities in Scotland/Glasgow.

 

[Old Skier]

This is excellent news.I think Glasgow will be operating the same procedure as London did, and by that I mean anyone not in attendance by a specific time will have their seat either re-sold or local youths allowed in for nothing.So thank you very much for your generous contribution to sporting activities in Scotland/Glasgow.

I think you'll find I said in the bin so not sure how you'll get them resold or if the local youth would be spending the same amount on accommodation and other such things that credit card lil has the ability to do.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I think you'll find I said in the bin so not sure how you'll get them resold or if the local youth would be spending the same amount on accommodation and other such things that credit card lil has the ability to do.

If you don't turn up and use your ticket by a certain time, they'll re-sell your ticket are let a wee tyke from possil in for nowt.You're contribution to Scotland will not go un noticed by me, it's generous, even to the point of not using a hotel room leaving it available for someone who enjoys being here instead of you is very kind.What a guy!

 

[Hobbit]

apologies, taxation and barnett being so close to each other I assumed there was a direct correlation.We're about £50 short of UK GDP without oil, and about £900 ahead including oil.But yes, my statement was inaccurate.

So the oil will be your saviour... but the current Barnett formula sees the spending per head at £1,502 more in Scotland than England. Does that mean you'll have a £600 deficit if you try to match your current spending?

A needs assessment carried out in 2008 suggested that Scotland would lose £2.5billion if the same amount was spent per head across the UK.

If you dig a little deeper into the UK's finances you'll see that the south east gets approx £6,100 spent per head, whilst the northeast gets £8,100 per head - Scotland at about £8,600. That kind of lays bare the often heard, "the southeast get everything."

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So the oil will be your saviour... but the current Barnett formula sees the spending per head at £1,502 more in Scotland than England. Does that mean you'll have a £600 deficit if you try to match your current spending?

Oil won't be our saviour, but it's certainly a cheeky wee bonus.And remember, those spending figures include the cost of things we (generally) have no interest in or desire...things I've mentioned previously.We'd be able to open up for exploration the apparent vast oil fields in the west, no guarantees, but lets at least have a wee look.It's all about the priorities a coutnry has...Scotland clearly has differing priorities to England,which is fine, lets both go about attaining those priorities in a civilised,fair way.

 

[Foxholer]

So the oil will be your saviour... but the current Barnett formula sees the spending per head at £1,502 more in Scotland than England. Does that mean you'll have a £600 deficit if you try to match your current spending?

A needs assessment carried out in 2008 suggested that Scotland would lose £2.5billion if the same amount was spent per head across the UK.

If you dig a little deeper into the UK's finances you'll see that the south east gets approx £6,100 spent per head, whilst the northeast gets £8,100 per head - Scotland at about £8,600. That kind of lays bare the often heard, "the southeast get everything."

Lies, Damn(ed) Lies and Statistics!

You can manufacture anything you want from the use/misuse of Stats!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

If you don't turn up and use your ticket by a certain time, they'll re-sell your ticket are let a wee tyke from possil in for nowt.You're contribution to Scotland will not go un noticed by me, it's generous, even to the point of not using a hotel room leaving it available for someone who enjoys being here instead of you is very kind.What a guy!

I dont believe they can re sell the ticket that was bought by someone in the public

In London the empty seats were due to tickets that were given to the "Olympic family" that weren't used and they then allowed other athletes and the military it sit there

If someone has bought a ticket unless it's returned it can't be re sold.

Same with hotel rooms - they can't sell the room again if it's already been bought

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I dont believe they can re sell the ticket that was bought by someone in the public

In London the empty seats were due to tickets that were given to the "Olympic family" that weren't used and they then allowed other athletes and the military it sit there

If someone has bought a ticket unless it's returned it can't be re sold.



Same with hotel rooms - they can't sell the room again if it's already been bought

Even better free tickets and rooms not used that have been paid for.

An expensive hissy fit by old skier [If he really had tickets to start with that is!]