Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

Even better free tickets and rooms not used that have been paid for.

An expensive hissy fit by old skier [If he really had tickets to start with that is!]

You won't be able to use the seat though or the hotel room - they will just be empty

Empty seats never looks good

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Even better free tickets and rooms not used that have been paid for.

An expensive hissy fit by old skier [If he really had tickets to start with that is!]

The second part of that sentence came out all wrong, so apologies.
It was based on my frustration to obtain any tickets for any event due to the demand.

Between my daughter and myself we managed just two tickets for the rugby at Ibrox.

 

[c1973]

You know, it's a damned shame that someone wouldn't want to cross the border and visit Scotland, due to feeling unwelcome because of their nationality. I just hope that the poster was letting off some steam, but sometimes there is an anti English undercurrent to this debate ( not a reference to this thread, I'm talking about the debate in general ) which is both saddening and shameful imo.

For what it's worth (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here), our southern neighbours should always be made welcome regardless of how the vote goes.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You know, it's a damned shame that someone wouldn't want to cross the border and visit Scotland, due to feeling unwelcome because of their nationality. I just hope that the poster was letting off some steam, but sometimes there is an anti English undercurrent to this debate ( not a reference to this thread, I'm talking about the debate in general ) which is both saddening and shameful imo.

For what it's worth (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here), our southern neighbours should always be made welcome regardless of how the vote goes.

That's a great post and one which is very welcome

It does appear at times that some people just can't wait to be "rid of us" and it does make people think and I feel sad that reading the thread has made me think a bit differently towards people that have shared some very good times in the past

I lived in Scotland as a youngster and my family was made to feel very welcome - my little brother was born in Aberdeen.

I feel at times ashamed wishing that there is a yes vote so that people can get their wish

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I don't think I know one person who's anti-English ( excluding the obvious sporting rivalry, which is totally acceptable and hopefully reciprocated) I but know loads of Pro-Scottish folk, and there is a significant difference.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That's a great post and one which is very welcome

It does appear at times that some people just can't wait to be "rid of us" and it does make people think and I feel sad that reading the thread has made me think a bit differently towards people that have shared some very good times in the past

I lived in Scotland as a youngster and my family was made to feel very welcome - my little brother was born in Aberdeen.

I feel at times ashamed wishing that there is a yes vote so that people can get their wish

I can get very angry (inside) and disappointed when at home in Glasgow with some of the things I hear said about England and the English. But until I left Scotland 30yrs ago my attitude may have been similar i.e. borne out of ignorance and prejudice. Maybe some of the things said are said in jest and in the spirit of cross-border banter - but sometimes I'm not so sure.

 

[c1973]

That's a great post and one which is very welcome

It does appear at times that some people just can't wait to be "rid of us" and it does make people think and I feel sad that reading the thread has made me think a bit differently towards people that have shared some very good times in the past

I lived in Scotland as a youngster and my family was made to feel very welcome - my little brother was born in Aberdeen.

I feel at times ashamed wishing that there is a yes vote so that people can get their wish

Trust me, there are plenty of people in Scotland who want to remain in the UK and wish it was all over. Despite saying "the people of Scotland......" constantly, Salmond n Sturgeon do NOT speak for the majority, imo, and neither do their supporters. I reckon Scotland will get its wish, and remain in the UK.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Trust me, there are plenty of people in Scotland who want to remain in the UK and wish it was all over. Despite saying "the people of Scotland......" constantly, Salmond n Sturgeon do NOT speak for the majority, imo, and neither do their supporters. I reckon Scotland will get its wish, and remain in the UK.

In really do hope a no vote happens

Not for political reasons , not for nuclear reasons , financial reasons but purely for the reason that together the UK is great , together the UK is a wonderful nation , together the UK is a power , together the countries of the UK have stood together for centuries in the face of oppression.

And I hope it's like that for more centuries to come.

 

[c1973]

I don't think I know one person who's anti-English ( excluding the obvious sporting rivalry, which is totally acceptable and hopefully reciprocated) I but know loads of Pro-Scottish folk, and there is a significant difference.

I don't know too many who would admit it, one or two granted, but I've heard plenty of "they (bad word alert) English..........." comments in my time to believe it exists in some people.

 

[c1973]

In really do hope a no vote happens

Not for political reasons , not for nuclear reasons , financial reasons but purely for the reason that together the UK is great , together the UK is a wonderful nation , together the UK is a power , together the countries of the UK have stood together for centuries in the face of oppression.

And I hope it's like that for more centuries to come.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[stevie_r]

I don't know too many who would admit it, one or two granted, but I've heard plenty of "they (bad word alert) English..........." comments in my time to believe it exists in some people.

Me too sadly, on all too many occasions.

 

[SocketRocket]

The trains I was talking about are the fancy new ones between London and Manchester,Crossrail,Channel Tunnel...we contribute(d) to those with pretty minimal return.Nuclear weapons are pretty much unpopular in Scotland, a small % of folk want them kept.And wars, well, Iraq was generally seen as unpopular throughout The UK, troops sent in on the back of lies.So Scotland has the chance to remove ourselves from the political war games and being at the call of Pennsylvania Avenue.
Scottish companies do indeed evade tax, we have the opportunity to simplify the single most complex taxation coding in the civilised world to make that evasion less possible.

You are being very Little Scotland with your views. They are only pertinent if Scotland had been complete separate during the time when all these things were decided.

Are you really saying the Scottish man in the street had a completely different way of thinking on the projects you mention, why were they not marching on parliament if such things offended them so much? Money has also been spent on Scottish capital expenditure and probably at least pro rata to contribution, I would hazard a guess that it is more. Do you really think the Channel Tunnel should not have been made because it was not doing enough for Scotland, anyhow I believe it was privately funded.

You seem to have missed my point over decisions made in Parliament on matters like defence, especially Nuclear Subs. The decision to have and maintain a nuclear deterrent in the UK was one made by the UK as a whole, surely you don't believe Scotland should have had a veto on such things. Again, do you honestly believe that once you drive past the border people suddenly change into pacifists with completely different views on defence.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

In really do hope a no vote happens

Not for political reasons , not for nuclear reasons , financial reasons but purely for the reason that together the UK is great , together the UK is a wonderful nation , together the UK is a power , together the countries of the UK have stood together for centuries in the face of oppression.

And I hope it's like that for more centuries to come.

Is that genuinely important to you?

You are being very Little Scotland with your views. They are only pertinent if Scotland had been complete separate during the time when all these things were decided.

Are you really saying the Scottish man in the street had a completely different way of thinking on the projects you mention, why were they not marching on parliament if such things offended them so much? Money has also been spent on Scottish capital expenditure and probably at least pro rata to contribution, I would hazard a guess that it is more. Do you really think the Channel Tunnel should not have been made because it was not doing enough for Scotland, anyhow I believe it was privately funded.

You seem to have missed my point over decisions made in Parliament on matters like defence, especially Nuclear Subs. The decision to have and maintain a nuclear deterrent in the UK was one made by the UK as a whole, surely you don't believe Scotland should have had a veto on such things. Again, do you honestly believe that once you drive past the border people suddenly change into pacifists with completely different views on defence.

I think we have a different set of priorities,yes.As highlighted by my highlighting of Phil above.England/English do seem to be hung up on being a 'power', to be a leader on the world stage.I honestly don't think that's very relevant to most Scottish folk.

And my point about trains etc was they make no difference to our lives, yet we still contribute to them, just like The M25...but holyrood has to fund the new forthcrossing or A90 upgrade or the commie games...yet we contribute to the olympics!...it's skewed.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes UK staying together is important to me

Strength in unity

And you seem it be making calls for all of Scotland as opposed to just YOU

You are posting "WE" - do you speak for all of Scotland because I can see a number of Scottish on here who don't agree with you and your views in what is good for Scotland

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Yes UK staying together is important to me

Strength in unity

And you seem it be making calls for all of Scotland as opposed to just YOU

You are posting "WE" - do you speak for all of Scotland because I can see a number of Scottish on here who don't agree with you and your views in what is good for Scotland

Fair point, for we read I

 

[SocketRocket]

I think we have a different set of priorities,yes.As highlighted by my highlighting of Phil above.England/English do seem to be hung up on being a 'power', to be a leader on the world stage.I honestly don't think that's very relevant to most Scottish folk.

And my point about trains etc was they make no difference to our lives, yet we still contribute to them, just like The M25...but holyrood has to fund the new forthcrossing or A90 upgrade or the commie games...yet we contribute to the olympics!...it's skewed.

So you don't think the rest of the UK have contributed positively to Capital projects in Scotland? I guess in your opinion (and in your opinion the vast majority of Scotts) we are a greedy, warlike bunch of senseless power hungry morons that you are better off away from then. Is that about right?

 

[Adi2Dassler]

So you don't think the rest of the UK have contributed positively to Capital projects in Scotland? I guess in your opinion (and in your opinion the vast majority of Scotts) we are a greedy, warlike bunch of senseless morons that you are better off away from then. Is that about right?

Show me anything, anything I've posted on here that remotely suggests that.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Show me anything, anything I've posted on here that remotely suggests that.

I also get the feeling that is your opinion also

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I also get the feeling that is your opinion also

Well thats days more about you than me, imo.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well thats days more about you than me, imo.

Sorry but it's the general feeling I get from you

You appear that you can't wait it be rid if us and you see us as a chain around your neck that is holding Scotland back

You are obviously pro Scotland but at times that appears anti anyone but Scotland