Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

Trust me, there are plenty of people in Scotland who want to remain in the UK and wish it was all over. Despite saying "the people of Scotland......" constantly, Salmond n Sturgeon do NOT speak for the majority, imo, and neither do their supporters. I reckon Scotland will get its wish, and remain in the UK.

Well as they were voted into power with a system that was specifically designed to keep them out I think that they do speak for the people of Scotland.
Perhaps if a few more folk had bothered to get off their backsides and vote that could have made a difference.

But they did not.

 

[SocketRocket]

Show me anything, anything I've posted on here that remotely suggests that.

Without me digging past this page :

"England/English do seem to be hung up on being a 'power', to be a leader on the world stage"

"Scotland has the chance to remove ourselves from the political war games and being at the call of Pennsylvania Avenue."

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I have scratched my head and had a wee thunk and I cannot think of one major Scottish infrastructure project that has been joint funded with rUK. [Within the last 20 years.]
I am pretty sure but not certain that we paid for our own Parliament.

I am sure that I have probably opened the floodgates though!

PS I am excluding lottery funding.

 

[Hobbit]

So the oil will be your saviour... but the current Barnett formula sees the spending per head at £1,502 more in Scotland than England. Does that mean you'll have a £600 deficit if you try to match your current spending?

A needs assessment carried out in 2008 suggested that Scotland would lose £2.5billion if the same amount was spent per head across the UK.

If you dig a little deeper into the UK's finances you'll see that the south east gets approx £6,100 spent per head, whilst the northeast gets £8,100 per head - Scotland at about £8,600. That kind of lays bare the often heard, "the southeast get everything."

Lies, Damn(ed) Lies and Statistics!

You can manufacture anything you want from the use/misuse of Stats!

Not from the Daily Mail Foxy... taken from the ONS website. Maybe you should try a reputable site occasionally.

 

[c1973]

Well as they were voted into power with a system that was specifically designed to keep them out I think that they do speak for the people of Scotland.
Perhaps if a few more folk had bothered to get off their backsides and vote that could have made a difference.

But they did not.

I think the system was designed to ensure no one party obtained a clear majority. No?

From memory I believe more people voted for the other three main parties than the snp though, so again I would suggest they do not speak for the majority.

Certainly, they have a mandate to run the country, but as they claim the Yes campaign is not only the snp, but encompasses others, I fail to see the significance of the parliamentary result in this debate anyway.

 

[c1973]

I have scratched my head and had a wee thunk and I cannot think of one major Scottish infrastructure project that has been joint funded with rUK. [Within the last 20 years.]
I am pretty sure but not certain that we paid for our own Parliament.

I am sure that I have probably opened the floodgates though!

PS I am excluding lottery funding.

Most major projects are undertaken with EU funds, are they not? Freely admit to being unsure about this though.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Most major projects are undertaken with EU funds, are they not? Freely admit to being unsure about this though.

I believe any millennium projects were funded by a joint fund ?

 

[Old Skier]

An expensive hissy fit by old skier [If he really had tickets to start with that is!]

Selective reading again or is it just the Buckies. It wasn't me but HID that has binned it and why would you suggest that I have lied or is it just another of your anti British wind ups. You really are turning into a bit of a tart.

 

[Old Skier]

The second part of that sentence came out all wrong, so apologies.
It was based on my frustration to obtain any tickets for any event due to the demand.

Between my daughter and myself we managed just two tickets for the rugby at Ibrox.

just seen it and accepted. And part of my tickets where for the 1/4, semi and finals of the sevens so I am not a happy teddy either.

 

[Old Skier]

You know, it's a damned shame that someone wouldn't want to cross the border and visit Scotland, due to feeling unwelcome because of their nationality. I just hope that the poster was letting off some steam, but sometimes there is an anti English undercurrent to this debate ( not a reference to this thread, I'm talking about the debate in general ) which is both saddening and shameful imo.

For what it's worth (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here), our southern neighbours should always be made welcome regardless of how the vote goes.

For the record I am not English, I have always classed myself as British but the old man insisted that we sprogs are officially Welsh.

 

[SocketRocket]

Most major projects are undertaken with EU funds, are they not? Freely admit to being unsure about this though.

EU funds means giving us some of our own money back.

 

[Old Skier]

I have scratched my head and had a wee thunk and I cannot think of one major Scottish infrastructure project that has been joint funded with rUK. [Within the last 20 years.]
I am pretty sure but not certain that we paid for our own Parliament.

I am sure that I have probably opened the floodgates though!

PS I am excluding lottery funding.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]The final cost of the Scottish Parliament building was £414.4m, a breakdown of which can be found in the Holyrood Project Close-Out report (148KB pdf).[/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Tahoma, Calibri, Geneva, sans-serif]The Holyrood Building Project was funded using conventional public funding arrangements for major Scottish capital projects - that is to say, it was funded from the Scottish Consolidated Fund, also known as the Block Grant.

I think you may find that the Block Grant comes out from the UK tax payer. Plus the £72 million a year paid for by the UK tax payer for the upkeep and running of them place.
[/FONT]

 

[Val]

I have scratched my head and had a wee thunk and I cannot think of one major Scottish infrastructure project that has been joint funded with rUK. [Within the last 20 years.]
I am pretty sure but not certain that we paid for our own Parliament.

I am sure that I have probably opened the floodgates though!

PS I am excluding lottery funding.

Anything paid for by the Scottish government has had some payment of sorts from Westminister, whether it be the new forth crossing, sky bridge etc etc

 

[Doon frae Troon]

New report out that most students in England and Wales will be paying back their tuition fees until they are 50 years old.

One area where I think Scotland has better priorities.

 

[SocketRocket]

New report out that most students in England and Wales will be paying back their tuition fees until they are 50 years old.

One area where I think Scotland has better Government funding.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Old Skier]

Fixed that for you.

Nah its all Scottish pounds you know.

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Here's a wee videothat confirms we do indeed have better govt funding and the reasons why we should possibly have even more.I know there's a few on here that like stats,facts and figures, so fill yer boots...

[video=youtube;1W8cKHcZn60]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W8cKHcZn60[/video]

 

[Old Skier]

Did start watching but it did become a little one sided and his opening remarks made things sound biased which became a tad of a turn off.
And as he says "everyone can put their spin on figures".

 

[Foxholer]

Not from the Daily Mail Foxy... taken from the ONS website. Maybe you should try a reputable site occasionally.

It doesn't matter whether the source is trusted or not, the same applies.

Where do you think the Daily Mail (or Guardian, or any Newspaper) gets its info from?

ONS is at least trustworthy - even rebuffing Gordon Broon's attempts to reclassify certain debt as 'off book'.

And those figures are very old - 2008 - before either country's last elections and almost before Scotland's previous one!

Btw. A few years earlier and it would have been my old big boss (Len Cook, who was/is quite small) that produced those Statistics. He was quite 'happy' to admit that Statistics could be twisted.

 

[Old Skier]

A2D, I think we all agree, and many have said, stats can be twisted to suit the argument therefore I must score that 2/10. Must go, RND calling for a free round ne: