Scotland Debate

[SocketRocket]

I think you are wearing your (our) blue tinted specs Socket. It wasn't him that opened the floodgates of immigration! That was the result of another (Blue) Government's action. Tax Credits were/are 'Fiscally Neutral' simply being a different - to him, 'fairer' - way to provide the same service. No different, really, than the Universal Credit' the the Coalition has introduced.

And far from reducing the deficit, the Coalition is continuing to run way ahead of its own deficit predictions and the deficit is increasing! All just a propoganda war - that the Coalition (actually the Tories) happens to be in the best position to take advantage of - imo!

Btw.
The Financial meltdown may have been the wind that blew the house of cards down, but it was also the balloon of hot air that the cards were sitting on in the first place. and that reliance on Financial Services, as opposed to 'real' products goes back to Thatcher and beyond - imo!

Here's an article you should browse! http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article37845.html

So in that regard, I agree with Val!

While I believe the referendum result will be a reasonably solid 'No', I think Cameron will get more and more desperate as time goes by as I'm certain he doesn't want to be seen as the guy in charge when Scotland was 'lost' from the United Kingdom! It was always going to be a very negative 'campaign', but I believe it will bet more-so by June /July!

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[Doon frae Troon]

Looks like all the UK parties are now getting their devomax ducks lined up.

They just might get a fright.

 

[Foxholer]

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Snap!

Shows how ridiculous statistics are! There looks to be a distinct bias in those figures - why pick 2005 as the 'base'? I'm sure the rise between 2008-2010 had a pretty direct relationship to the 'Banking Crash' too. And the most significant of your graph (2013-2015) is an estimate!

Anyway, this thread is about Scotland, not Labour/Conservatives

 

[chrisd]

What do the Scots bring to the table....

Cant get on a ride on Blackpool pleasure beach beacause of them
Have to wait ages for the lower league footy results cos some random league is 1st
The odd delivery driver who one has to then phone up the company and have a translator or hopes they have a babelfish implant
Dougie Donnelly


I will let them off with the TV and the telephone

This is probably the most pertinent summing up of the whole debate, fact like this can't be ignored in the trivia of politics that this discussion has debated!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

What do the Scots bring to the table....

Golf
Whisky
Irn Bru

An ability to make work related decisions.

 

[stevie_r]

Golf
Whisky
Irn Bru

An ability to make work related decisions.

You forgot lorne sausage, stays in a roll a treat without falling out

 

[CMAC]

You forgot lorne sausage, stays in a roll a treat without falling out

lol, just bought 4 this morning as you cant pieces and sausage (tomato sauce) with tea for the 6 nations today:whoo:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Lorne sausage with an eye of black pudding, now your talking.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Lorne sausage with an eye of black pudding, now your talking.

A good by-product of the Lorne sausage is that, after cooking, there is sufficient fat left in the frying pan to make three or four wild bird fat balls.

 

[CMAC]

Doon, you realise your talking to yourself

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just a wee add on.

Shouting at the telly......... with Hogg's sending off.
Just Ireland to cheer on now.
Hope the best team win!

 

[Old Skier]

Just a wee add on.

Shouting at the telly......... with Hogg's sending off.
Just Ireland to cheer on now.
Hope the best team win!

Hogg needs shouting at, not the telly

 

[Doon frae Troon]

One important but seldom raised point is that an iScotland would have an elected second chamber.

Getting rid of Trident and The House of Lords in one fell swoop.......wow.

 

[Foxholer]

One important but seldom raised point is that an iScotland would have an elected second chamber.

Getting rid of Trident and The House of Lords in one fell swoop.......wow.

Doon. What makes you think that? Specifically stated in White Paper that there will be No 2nd Chamber!

More codswallop?!

Btw. Coming from a country with no 2nd chamber, I can see significant advantages in having a 2nd chamber!

 

[CMAC]

and now a westminster committee has said independence will damage higher education and research in Scotland if the dence win.

They state a huge financial shortfall the pro party havent made clear how they would deal with this lack of education and reseacrh funding they currently recieve as part of the union.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26596530

 

[Foxholer]

and now a westminster committee has said independence will damage higher education and research in Scotland if the dence win.

They state a huge financial shortfall the pro party havent made clear how they would deal with this lack of education and reseacrh funding they currently recieve as part of the union.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26596530

Much as I would normally - and do - think the 'Westminster Committee' is somewhat biased, it would seem these guys may have a point.

The question could well be asked about why Scotland is getting 'more than its fair share' currently!

I don't believe it really is, though there may be a slight discrepancy here and there. These are just UK wide budgets that are outside the Barnet formula.

After Independence, it's really just a case of Scottish getting 100% of Tax raised in Scotland and then allocating it as they see fit - as opposed to the Tax going to UK Government and either being allocated to Scotland via the Barnet formula or being dished out from Westminster via the various grants etc. It would merely involve the (enormous) task of identifying and changing the way all such allocation works when the countries separate!

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Not if your a new boy

Incorrect, as I've already shown on this very thread.There is information available, be in possession of the facts before making any spurious claims.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I quite like the Scottish education system.
My missus signed up for an 8 week advanced digital camera course run by Ayr College.
She went along to pay this week thinking it would be £100+ to be told it was free.

 

[Old Skier]

be in possession of the facts before making any spurious claims.

Your making me sound like a YES voter.

 

[Foxholer]

Your making me sound like a YES voter.

:rofl::clap: