Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

On JL boss statement BBC News was, for hours today, using the word 'hike' in one of the strapline headlines they rotate at the bottom of screen.

It will all come down once again to interpretation - hike means a sharp increase

Any increase in price could easily be classed as sharp

But it's such a small insignificance in the big picture to be worried about what words the media day.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It will still receive the BBC but it will set up it's own national broadcasting service - likely utilising the BBC Scotland facilities located throughout the country. Maybe just rename BBC Scotland - Scottish Broadcasting

So basically BBC Scotland and paid for by the Scottish taxpayers

Will the cost be higher or lower ? Especially when you consider that the pool is a lot smaller to get money from

 

[Val]

So basically BBC Scotland and paid for by the Scottish taxpayers

Will the cost be higher or lower ? Especially when you consider that the pool is a lot smaller to get money from

Yes it will and the cost will be the same, I'd go as far to say nothing will change, however I'm still keen to find out why DFT reckons an iScotland will ditch it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It will all come down once again to interpretation - hike means a sharp increase

Any increase in price could easily be classed as sharp

But it's such a small insignificance in the big picture to be worried about what words the media day.

Yes 'hike' does mean that - but nowhere did the JL boss suggest anything of the sort. Yes it's minor in the great scheme of things - but the statements made by the JL boss are being cited by BT as indicative of significant issues being raised by big business for an iScotland. And in the case of JL I just don't believe that is what was said at all

(that's me being protective btw )

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes 'hike' does mean that - but nowhere did the JL boss suggest anything of the sort. Yes it's minor in the great scheme of things - but the statements made by the JL boss are being cited by BT as indicative of significant issues being raised by big business for an iScotland. And in the case of JL I just don't believe that is what was said at all

(that's me being protective btw )

Isn't any price increases a significant issue though - regardless of it being sharp or not ?

If businesses are warning of possible price increases that could happen due to a Yes vote isn't that something to be worried about

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Isn't any price increases a significant issue though - regardless of it being sharp or not ?

If businesses are warning of possible price increases that could happen due to a Yes vote isn't that something to be worried about

Yes! But it isn't a HIKE - the word has connotations beyond a small increase in price that may happen over a period of time. And in the great scheme of things cost and price variations of anything will vary and you might not notice the increase in any case - just absorbed into other price fluctuations.

 

[Dodger]

Is there anything LP does not know?

Is there.....?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Yes! But it isn't a HIKE - the word has connotations beyond a small increase in price that may happen over a period of time.

As I said - that's all down to interpretations of one single word which in the overall picture is insignificant

Any increases regardless of size or period of time is something to consider because people will need to find money to pay for that increase

Really shouldn't get yourself in knots about the use of one word which has been used to create a headline

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

As I said - that's all down to interpretations of one single word which in the overall picture is insignificant

Any increases regardless of size or period of time is something to consider because people will need to find money to pay for that increase

Really shouldn't get yourself in knots about the use of one word which has been used to create a headline

It's not the headline as such, it's the misconstruing of a statement made by the boss of JL as part of structuring an argument that is the problem. Believe lot's of small lies about someone and you will lose trust in that person.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It's not the headline as such, it's the misconstruing of a statement made by the boss of JL as part of structuring an argument that is the problem. Believe lot's of small lies about someone and you will lose trust in that person.

Welcome to the world of the media

I have no doubt at all that a pro media outlet has been guilty of the same thing

And 99% of the population would delve in a bit deeper to get passed the initial story if it effected them

It takes two secs to have a quick look at the statement and to see exactly why the word hike was used to emphasis the statement made

I would hope anyone voting either way would be able to make their own judgement regardless of what the BBC or indeed any media outlet report.

 

[the_coach]

as a total outsider looking in, a yes result would appear to be a beginning of many pretty big problems for both Scotland & the UK that would significantly weaken both parties place in the world, on the business, defence, & as different 'nations' on health, pension, tax, banking & financial fronts. would appear Salmond & the 'yessirs' have totally underestimated the cost of a fully independent country.

Scotland (yessir leaders, supporters) appear to think they will still be able to use the £ that this would still be supported & underwritten by the BOE & the UK, the UK government appears from over here to have a completely different viewpoint on that.
has Salmond factored in the cost of producing & administrating a 'new' currency.
or does an independent Scotland intend to continue to use the pound, unsupported by the BOE & the UK government, in a similar way that Panama does with our $.

seems there would be far to many parts to this that are fairly unsolvable over a time span of 18 months or years for that matter, from what I've seen & heard, if I were Scots I be extremely nervous having a 'leader of the yes vote' that doesn't at this point appear to have many of the answers at his fingertips already.
just a viewpoint from overseas.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Strikes me as shoddy preparation as it's normal to have a balance in the audience for any such programme, but having failed to prepare properly by ensuring there is a balance, it's very poor form to ask people to lie for the sake of a TV programme when the subject matter is supposed to be factual and of such importance.

There are representatives from over 250 Scottish schools in the audience.
Obvious just a random selection

If the audience is overwhelmingly Yes then the BBC does not have a programme.
I doubt it though as the 16/17 year olds seem to favour No.

Brave researcher who tells a 16/17 year old what to say.

 

[ger147]

There are representatives from over 250 Scottish schools in the audience.
Obvious just a random selection

If the audience is overwhelmingly Yes then the BBC does not have a programme.
I doubt it though as the 16/17 year olds seem to favour No.

Brave researcher who tells a 16/17 year old what to say.

Funnily enough, the researcher who approached the girl I know to explain she would have to pretend to be a No or an Undecided was told where to get off.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I struggle to believe there are really 10% still undecided as the polls suggest. I reckon, from my educated point of view ( ) that they are NO voters who don't want to admit it yet for fear of stigma!

 

[ger147]

I struggle to believe there are really 10% still undecided as the polls suggest. I reckon, from my educated point of view ( ) that they are NO voters who don't want to admit it yet for fear of stigma!

It's an incredibly small sample size, but in my household there are still 2 undecided voters. And the reason you state is not the reason they remain undecided.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

It's an incredibly small sample size, but in my household there are still 2 undecided voters. And the reason you state is not the reason they remain undecided.

Interesting. i genuinely didn't think many would be left undecided! Do you mind me asking how come they are still undecided?

 

[fundy]

Interesting. i genuinely didn't think many would be left undecided! Do you mind me asking how come they are still undecided?

Id guess on the basis that a lot of the key questions they want answered havent been (and wont be) just a whole load of supposition and bluster from both sides guessing as to what may or may not happen if either Yes or No wins

 

[Foxholer]

Welcome to the world of the media

I have no doubt at all that a pro media outlet has been guilty of the same thing

And 99% of the population would delve in a bit deeper to get passed the initial story if it effected them

It takes two secs to have a quick look at the statement and to see exactly why the word hike was used to emphasis the statement made

I would hope anyone voting either way would be able to make their own judgement regardless of what the BBC or indeed any media outlet report.

This is my issue with the BBC coverage!

I'm resigned to the fact that most newspapers will take a particular stance and publish articles that support that view - I can always read more than one of them.

But for the supposedly unbiased BBC to effectively campaign for the No side is wrong imo. And there are enough examples of that happening for it to more than just coincidence.

 

[ger147]

Interesting. i genuinely didn't think many would be left undecided! Do you mind me asking how come they are still undecided?

I can only answer for myself as I am one of the 2.

I have never expected to be given answers to the questions many people rant and rave about e.g. the currency question, as the honest answer is no-one really knows the answers as each and every union or separation of countries is unique and therefore what the eventual settlement between the 2 parties will end up being no-one knows. Similarly, no-one really knows the potential consequences of such a separation, be they good or bad.

So essentially, I see the decision I face as simply an idea i.e. do I prefer the idea of being independent or not, whatever that will eventually entail. Or to put it another way, do I think becoming independent will be better for me, my family and my fellow Scots or do I think we would be better off sticking with what we know and remain within the UK.

As it's a golf forum, it's a bit like being asked to pick between keeping my existing set of irons or changing to a new set, but I'm not allowed to see them, hit them or know anything about the new set in advance. And the Yes and No campaigns are the equivalent of 2 Pros, one telling me the new set will mean I will never again hit an iron fat, thin, left or right, only straight at the pin and never outside 4 feet, and the other Pro telling me if I switch irons my arms will fall off, every golf course within a 100 mile radius will instantly close down forever and I'll have to take up Scrabble.

 

[williamalex1]

I was a definite no vote at the start but I'm not so sure now, even with the currency issues and some big business doubts
.As for defence who attacked us last anyway .