Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

I struggle to believe there are really 10% still undecided as the polls suggest. I reckon, from my educated point of view ( ) that they are NO voters who don't want to admit it yet for fear of stigma!

Two plumbers in my house yesterday....both undecided. One from No to undecided.
That is 50% of the people in my house yesterday

 

[FairwayDodger]

As it's a golf forum, it's a bit like being asked to pick between keeping my existing set of irons or changing to a new set, but I'm not allowed to see them, hit them or know anything about the new set in advance. And the Yes and No campaigns are the equivalent of 2 Pros, one telling me the new set will mean I will never again hit an iron fat, thin, left or right, only straight at the pin and never outside 4 feet, and the other Pro telling me if I switch irons my arms will fall off, every golf course within a 100 mile radius will instantly close down forever and I'll have to take up Scrabble.

I like this analogy!

:thup:

 

[ger147]

On today's meeting at No.10 between David Cameron and supermarket bosses:

"According to the BBC, Number 10 are saying that David Cameron’s meeting with supermarket bosses today and that Scotland was not mentioned."

Of course it wasn't

 

[Imurg]

As it's a golf forum, it's a bit like being asked to pick between keeping my existing set of irons or changing to a new set, but I'm not allowed to see them, hit them or know anything about the new set in advance. And the Yes and No campaigns are the equivalent of 2 Pros, one telling me the new set will mean I will never again hit an iron fat, thin, left or right, only straight at the pin and never outside 4 feet, and the other Pro telling me if I switch irons my arms will fall off, every golf course within a 100 mile radius will instantly close down forever and I'll have to take up Scrabble.

Nicely put...

So how the hell are you supposed to make a rational, probably irreversible, decision if that's the info you've got....?

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

I can only answer for myself as I am one of the 2.

I have never expected to be given answers to the questions many people rant and rave about e.g. the currency question, as the honest answer is no-one really knows the answers as each and every union or separation of countries is unique and therefore what the eventual settlement between the 2 parties will end up being no-one knows. Similarly, no-one really knows the potential consequences of such a separation, be they good or bad.

So essentially, I see the decision I face as simply an idea i.e. do I prefer the idea of being independent or not, whatever that will eventually entail. Or to put it another way, do I think becoming independent will be better for me, my family and my fellow Scots or do I think we would be better off sticking with what we know and remain within the UK.

As it's a golf forum, it's a bit like being asked to pick between keeping my existing set of irons or changing to a new set, but I'm not allowed to see them, hit them or know anything about the new set in advance. And the Yes and No campaigns are the equivalent of 2 Pros, one telling me the new set will mean I will never again hit an iron fat, thin, left or right, only straight at the pin and never outside 4 feet, and the other Pro telling me if I switch irons my arms will fall off, every golf course within a 100 mile radius will instantly close down forever and I'll have to take up Scrabble.

In line with most of the advice you get on here



go to a different pro

 

[ger147]

Nicely put...

So how the hell are you supposed to make a rational, probably irreversible, decision if that's the info you've got....?

In my opinion, a reasoned and rational decision is not possible in favour of either Yes or No. Vote Yes and we've no idea what we'll get, or vote No and we still don't know what we'll get with all the new powers stuff, West Lothian question to be resolved etc. So it's a no idea what we're going to end up with no matter what.

No doubt that's why I have seriously considered the idea of not voting at all as I detest how both campaigns have been conducted and it sticks in my craw having to vote in favour of one of them. But I know I will vote one way or the other, just no idea which way yet.

 

[ger147]

In line with most of the advice you get on here



go to a different pro

What I'm actually doing is trying to figure out what's best for myself as in this case, there are no pros you can trust, none at all.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

In my opinion, a reasoned and rational decision is not possible in favour of either Yes or No. Vote Yes and we've no idea what we'll get, or vote No and we still don't know what we'll get with all the new powers stuff, West Lothian question to be resolved etc. So it's a no idea what we're going to end up with no matter what.

No doubt that's why I have seriously considered the idea of not voting at all as I detest how both campaigns have been conducted and it sticks in my craw having to vote in favour of one of them. But I know I will vote one way or the other, just no idea which way yet.

What is the West Lothian question if a no vote ?

 

[Dodger]

[video=youtube;rHmLb-RIbrM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHmLb-RIbrM[/video]

 

[ger147]

What is the West Lothian question if a no vote ?

More powers for Scotland following a No would inevitably lead to the WL question being discussed and perhaps finally resolved. I know I would be deeply unhappy if I was having decisions foisted upon me by politicians who have other more favourable arrangements for their own constituents that are decided elsewhere.

Only my opinion of course.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

More powers for Scotland following a No would inevitably lead to the WL question being discussed and perhaps finally resolved. I know I would be deeply unhappy if I was having decisions foisted upon me by politicians who have other more favourable arrangements for their own constituents that are decided elsewhere.

Only my opinion of course.

What is the West Lothian question though mate ?

 

[ger147]

What is the West Lothian question though mate ?

Scottish MP's voting on matters that only affect England and Wales e.g. tuition fees being a recent example

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Hydro debate went well, quite balanced.
Grand to see 8,500 teenagers so engaged in the referendum.

George Galloway, wearing tight jeans and a hat [trendy!] representing Labour [?] sharing a pitch with a terribly embarrassed Ruth Davidson was amusing.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Scottish MP's voting on matters that only affect England and Wales e.g. tuition fees being a recent example

Ah right - cheers for that.

 

[Dodger]

Hydro debate went well, quite balanced.
Grand to see 8,500 teenagers so engaged in the referendum.

George Galloway, wearing tight jeans and a hat [trendy!] representing Labour [?] sharing a pitch with a terribly embarrassed Ruth Davidson was amusing.

Two horrible individuals.

Good boost again for YES having them pair on.

Galloway............"We'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the Union". The kind of rubbish my old Uncle comes out with on his way hame fae the pub...

Wholly embarrassing.

 

[ger147]

Two horrible individuals.

Good boost again for YES having them pair on.

Galloway............"We'd all be speaking German if it wasn't for the Union". The kind of rubbish my old Uncle comes out with on his way hame fae the pub...

Wholly embarrassing.

Approximately 20% of Battle of Britain RAF pilots were foreign, the largest foreign contingents coming from Poland, New Zealand, Canada and Czechoslovakia. I'm sure a few of the Poles and Czechs could speak German

 

[Andy808]

Hydro debate went well, quite balanced.
Grand to see 8,500 teenagers so engaged in the referendum.

George Galloway, wearing tight jeans and a hat [trendy!] representing Labour [?] sharing a pitch with a terribly embarrassed Ruth Davidson was amusing.

Still smacks of desperation to even think they needed 16-18 year olds to vote!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Still smacks of desperation to even think they needed 16-18 year olds to vote!

From whom?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Appears BBC were right to switch away from Salmonds speech
Seems it wasn't very thrilling

 

[Dodger]

Approximately 20% of Battle of Britain RAF pilots were foreign, the largest foreign contingents coming from Poland, New Zealand, Canada and Czechoslovakia. I'm sure a few of the Poles and Czechs could speak German

Galloway even finished off with a Nazi slur.

Utter tit of a human being.