Scotland Debate

[Deleted member 15344]

..and so important that we couldn't wait until AS had finished? Nope. Not when we have the debate on the future of our country going into it's final week and at a crucial point. Most of the UK population will be quite happy finding out about Pistorius trial when they get home from work or whatever. COuld have put positotius trial as strapline

The BBC supplies pictures around the world that look after the whole of the UK and it's citizens around not just the Scottish and with IMO most of England/Wales and N Ireland happy to read what Salmond has to say later then they would prefer to see the Worldwide breaking news

I'm guessing Sky News must also be biased towards the No vote as well as they immediately went to the Oscar News as well - As did BFBS and ITV news

But the fact you believe that what Salmond has to say is more important just goes to show the level of arrogance being displayed by certain fractions of the Yes campaign

 

[Dodger]

This is what the BBC have on their website in regards Lloyds

Lloyds Banking Group, Tesco Bank, Clydesdale Bank and TSB have also been setting out their post-referendum contingency plans.

Lloyds Banking Group said it could shift its legal home to its headquarters, which is already in London.

However, Lloyds said this was just a legal procedure and "there would be no immediate changes or issues".

The statement from Lloyds said: "Lloyds Banking Group has seen an increased level of enquiries from our customers, colleagues and other stakeholders about our plans post the Scottish referendum.

"While the scale of potential change is currently unclear, we have contingency plans in place which include the establishment of new legal entities in England. This is a legal procedure and there would be no immediate changes or issues which could affect our business or our customers.

Also within the same report I can't see anything about Job losses being reported by the BBC

Unless I have missed it

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29151798

That has been changed after AS pointed out their glaring faux pas at 8.30am this morning.

All that was reported was 'Moving head quarters to London'.

The head office has been in London for 110 years or something like that.

Some really poor journalism has been made by them.

Instead of the "RBS confirms 'Yes' vote London move" scare tactic headline a headline of "RBS confirms 'Yes' vote will not result in loss of jobs" would have been suffice but that would not have had the desired scare tactic effect.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

Instead of the "RBS confirms 'Yes' vote London move" scare tactic headline a headline of "RBS confirms 'Yes' vote will not result in loss of jobs" would have been suffice but that would not have had the desired scare tactic effect.

I think you missed your calling in life of "snappy headline creator".

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That has been changed after AS pointed out their glaring faux pas at 8.30am this morning.

All that was reported was 'Moving head quarters to London'.

The head office has been in London for 110 years or something like that.

Some really poor journalism has been made by them.

Instead of the "RBS confirms 'Yes' vote London move" scare tactic headline a headline of "RBS confirms 'Yes' vote will not result in loss of jobs" would have been suffice but that would not have had the desired scare tactic effect.

But the headline - RBS confirms Yes vote London move isn't factually incorrect is it ?

You may not like the headline but it is still factually correct

Banks and businesses look like they are making provisions to possibly have some parts or all part of the presence in Scotland leave if there is a yes vote

Now the Yes campaign are concentrating on how that is broadcast without actually tackling the fact that banks and businesses could be leaving the country because of the vote - instead of looking at the repurcussions of that happening it's being ignored as per usual

 

[ger147]

I can't see anywhere in that statement where it says it will have no effect on jobs. Says that the services for customers won't be affected but doesn't mention jobs in a positive or negative way.

The last sentence...

"RBS intends to retain a significant level of its operations and employment in Scotland to support its customers there and the activities of the whole Bank."

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I bet you more of the UK population were interested in the Pistorius verdict than yet another Salmond speech.

Was it not an international media news conference - not a speech as such. Interesting to hear questions coming from other thanthe usual suspects. Anyway. It's done and gone.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

This is a dangerous situation.
The BBC is misreporting in favour of the No campaign. Of that there can be no doubt.
UP to a couple of months ago I was a massive BBC fan and now I simply cannot believe what I am seeing.

They are trying to protect the jobs and salaries of colleagues as Scotland would move to a much more cost effective broadcasting system.

Time for them to go IMO.
Whether it is a Yes or NO vote.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Was it not an international media news conference - not a speech as such. Interesting to hear questions coming from other thanthe usual suspects. Anyway. It's done and gone.

No idea - I wasn't watching. (but I did check the Pistorius verdict online )

 

[FairwayDodger]

This is a dangerous situation.
The BBC is misreporting in favour of the No campaign. Of that there can be no doubt.
UP to a couple of months ago I was a massive BBC fan and now I simply cannot believe what I am seeing.

They are trying to protect the jobs and salaries of colleagues as Scotland would move to a much more cost effective broadcasting system.

Time for them to go IMO.
Whether it is a Yes or NO vote.

Doon, for the record, I doubt it. I doubt it very much.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is a dangerous situation.
The BBC is misreporting in favour of the No campaign. Of that there can be no doubt.
UP to a couple of months ago I was a massive BBC fan and now I simply cannot believe what I am seeing.

They are trying to protect the jobs and salaries of colleagues as Scotland would move to a much more cost effective broadcasting system.

Time for them to go IMO.
Whether it is a Yes or NO vote.

"Time for them to go".

Who exactly should go

Don't forget that every other media outlet is reporting pretty much the same thing as they are - Sky , ITV - should they go as well

In fact should everyone who reports negatively in regards a Yes vote should go also ?!

How exactly is it "dangerous" ?!

 

[ColchesterFC]

The last sentence...

"RBS intends to retain a significant level of its operations and employment in Scotland to support its customers there and the activities of the whole Bank."

So do we agree that there will be job losses? Probably not massive numbers but at least some as they are only committing to a "significant level" rather than saying all.

 

[CheltenhamHacker]

This is a dangerous situation.
The BBC is misreporting in favour of the No campaign. Of that there can be no doubt.
UP to a couple of months ago I was a massive BBC fan and now I simply cannot believe what I am seeing.

They are trying to protect the jobs and salaries of colleagues as Scotland would move to a much more cost effective broadcasting system.

Time for them to go IMO.
Whether it is a Yes or NO vote.

Hi dft

Just a quick one, not sure if you saw my reply on the page before, lots of comments since then!

I was just wondering if you could pass opinion on the things being reported, rather than the way they are reported. Haven't really seen much from the YES side about that.

I wouldn't worry about the BBC. If you do go independent, they would probably make just as much money by leaving Scotland, and selling you Strictly Come Dancing, Top Gear and all the other shows that you all love so much. And think of all the money they could save by not having to send reporters up to Edinburgh or Glasgow to report on events!

 

[ger147]

I have absolutely no way to corroborate my post but my wife has just told me that her friends daughter who is going to the 16 and 17 year olds debate on BBC tonight has been asked to be a No or an Undecided tonight as there are too many Yes's in the audience.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I have absolutely no way to corroborate my post but my wife has just told me that her friends daughter who is going to the 16 and 17 year olds debate on BBC tonight has been asked to be a No or an Undecided tonight as there are too many Yes's in the audience.

Hmmm, seems unlikely but, if true, it certainly gives the lie to any accusations of pro-no bias.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Hi dft

Just a quick one, not sure if you saw my reply on the page before, lots of comments since then!

I was just wondering if you could pass opinion on the things being reported, rather than the way they are reported. Haven't really seen much from the YES side about that.

I wouldn't worry about the BBC. If you do go independent, they would probably make just as much money by leaving Scotland, and selling you Strictly Come Dancing, Top Gear and all the other shows that you all love so much. And think of all the money they could save by not having to send reporters up to Edinburgh or Glasgow to report on events!

When a lot of folk watch and listen to BBC News bulletins it is surely very important that things are reported accurately and not editorialised without care for 'ease of understanding' or whatever purpose.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

When a lot of folk watch and listen to BBC News bulletins it is surely very important that things are reported accurately and not editorialised without care for 'ease of understanding' or whatever purpose.

Doesn't that apply to every single news outlet in the world

The BBC certainly aren't the only News outlet in the world who don't glamourised headlines but the content will be no different to every single other news outlet

They were accused of broadcasting incorrect facts and factually incorrect statements - still not seen the evidence to back that

 

[ger147]

So do we agree that there will be job losses? Probably not massive numbers but at least some as they are only committing to a "significant level" rather than saying all.

The statement makes no mention of job losses.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Doesn't that apply to every single news outlet in the world

The BBC certainly aren't the only News outlet in the world who don't glamourised headlines but the content will be no different to every single other news outlet

They were accused of broadcasting incorrect facts and factually incorrect statements - still not seen the evidence to back that

Did I not give an example of exaggerating or hyping up potential cost increases by JL. I concede that I have not been able to check back on all statements made by the JL boss this morning as he may have used the word 'hike' in respect of prices in a statement that I didn't hear.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The statement makes no mention of job losses.

I'm guessing that will be down to interpretation

Maybe it's more about what they are not saying

Ie they arent saying that all staff will remain in place but instead "a significant presence" will remain

 

[ger147]

Hmmm, seems unlikely but, if true, it certainly gives the lie to any accusations of pro-no bias.

Strikes me as shoddy preparation as it's normal to have a balance in the audience for any such programme, but having failed to prepare properly by ensuring there is a balance, it's very poor form to ask people to lie for the sake of a TV programme when the subject matter is supposed to be factual and of such importance.